Oct 20 17:14:20 pete_dushenski: Where I spell ungood this time? Oct 20 17:14:28 mircea_popescu i'm told the site was down but it was while i was sleeping. it was back up when i awoke. Oct 20 17:14:53 so not much to speek of... Oct 20 17:15:02 lol Oct 20 17:15:15 Thank you much, and thank you for the unrate, and clarifying the matter :). Oct 20 17:15:19 PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. Oct 20 17:15:55 http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/ Oct 20 17:15:56 Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski Oct 20 17:16:13 ^cuz rip penguirker Oct 20 17:17:01 ahahaha didja run off with the niquette piece ? Oct 20 17:18:22 ...maybe Oct 20 17:18:39 plus some money logs! Oct 20 17:19:55 * only (~only@gateway/tor-sasl/only) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:20:28 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jgmbm/we_won_without_trying/ Oct 20 17:20:29 We won without trying : Bitcoin Oct 20 17:20:48 good, stuff needs to breathe. Oct 20 17:21:37 in through the nose, out through the mouth. Oct 20 17:21:50 "All those haters that come in here with economic models and charts telling us it's impossible; all the hit pieces penned by pros like Krugman telling us to 'grow up' - none of them really quite grasp that there could possibly be a group of people who have the audacity to sit around their hallowed poker table without needing to win." Oct 20 17:21:52 ahem. Oct 20 17:22:00 "bitcoin won without the reddit doge derps trying" Oct 20 17:22:02 .... right. so ? Oct 20 17:22:12 so majick! Oct 20 17:22:27 let's pretend like things are other things and stuff!1 Oct 20 17:22:42 BingoBoingo maybe this is qorth a qntra ? http://www.tonewsto.com/2014/10/jp-morgans-jamie-dimon-bitcoin-will-try.html Oct 20 17:22:43 JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon: Bitcoin Will “Try to Eat Our Lunch” | Cryptocurrency And Bitcoin News information on other digital currencies. Oct 20 17:23:31 mircea_popescu reddit is bitcoin and vice versa so bitcoin winning is because of derpage! Oct 20 17:24:03 pete_dushenski: You want to give newswriting a try? It's fun. Oct 20 17:24:30 i did for a few years with the car industry. Oct 20 17:24:36 lol isn't he a tad late ? but yeah Oct 20 17:24:38 i had fun with it too. Oct 20 17:24:45 pete_dushenski so write it up. Oct 20 17:25:14 yes mlad Oct 20 17:25:25 :) Oct 20 17:25:42 lol Oct 20 17:26:17 * kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 20 17:26:42 PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. < meh the only way you can do anything in this direction is to be another reseller Oct 20 17:27:15 kakobrekla best i can tell, all someone needs to do is a) be a sysadmin and b) colocate a few boxes in a decent dc Oct 20 17:27:16 then sell space. Oct 20 17:27:25 * kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:27:57 adding another liability in the chain Oct 20 17:28:12 a liability could be a responsibility. Oct 20 17:28:22 if it's someone you trust then it's someone you trust. Oct 20 17:28:50 yea, we need The Crypt like in cryptonomicon Oct 20 17:28:59 colocate in locked boxes, don't allow the dc or anyone else any sort of access to the boxes, kivm or whatever Oct 20 17:29:11 thus creating a single point of failure. which people can evaluate for trust. Oct 20 17:29:12 btc people wont pay for premium host Oct 20 17:29:16 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00074197 = 17.6589 BTC [+] {2} Oct 20 17:29:18 cheap dirtbags Oct 20 17:29:19 * ericmuys_ (~ericmuyse@S010628c68e00af53.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:29:29 kakobrekla listen, people like the amateur ddos guy will be helping with this. Oct 20 17:29:40 by ddosing? Oct 20 17:29:42 consider yest, qntra was up but say bingo's blog was down. well ? what's he to do ? Oct 20 17:29:44 and yeah he'd pay. Oct 20 17:29:46 yep Oct 20 17:31:58 average blogger cant afford any but free hosting Oct 20 17:32:18 blogger that can't afford any but free hosting should stfu and turn the fries. Oct 20 17:32:37 the idea that poor people have something to say boggles. Oct 20 17:33:34 * dr_love (~dr_love@www.nowhere-else.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:33:56 * ericmuys_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) Oct 20 17:34:07 dunno, with hosting providers having the margins same as the fees of bitcoin exchanges Oct 20 17:34:16 there isnt much space Oct 20 17:34:42 !up dr_love Oct 20 17:34:43 * assbot gives voice to dr_love Oct 20 17:34:52 kakobrekla i specifically recall say asciilifeform asking for one. Oct 20 17:35:08 it's rare that you get the customers asking for you, usually people have to create markets Oct 20 17:35:23 mircea_popescu: thanks. Oct 20 17:35:27 sure. who're you ? Oct 20 17:35:30 how did bitvps do? Oct 20 17:35:42 is there any value in a provably fair bitcoin lottery? Oct 20 17:35:45 great, up until rg went on a drinking binge or w/e it was he did Oct 20 17:35:52 dr_love define lottery ? Oct 20 17:36:17 kakobrekla bitvps went down in flames Oct 20 17:36:36 and kicked its customers at first occassion Oct 20 17:36:55 classic problem of small providers Oct 20 17:36:57 mircea_popescu: when you need to buy a ticket to have a 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx chance to win the jackpot Oct 20 17:37:04 in short i'd put bitvps down to poor management rather than poor fundamentals. Oct 20 17:37:13 dr_love how is this different from a dice site ? Oct 20 17:37:13 when one customer will threaten all the seven you got Oct 20 17:37:42 dr_love: I'd recommend picking a fiat lottery and starting a BitBet on its drawing Oct 20 17:37:44 kakobrekla that's a flawed premise. collective security, baby. Oct 20 17:37:46 mircea_popescu: player's perception? the jackpot grows huge after a few rollovers Oct 20 17:37:58 like cloudflare! Oct 20 17:38:00 dr_love so it's a dice meets gem site ? Oct 20 17:38:43 well yeah, I was just looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroMillions#Distribution_of_revenue, where 50% goes to shit Oct 20 17:38:44 EuroMillions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Oct 20 17:38:58 a Bitcoin lottery could do much better than that Oct 20 17:39:08 dr_love basically it's a marketing wrapper on top of a dice site. best work as a promoter then i guess. Oct 20 17:39:54 mircea_popescu: how do you imagine economic model of such hosting? if we put everything onnto one basked and then one ddos burns $100/week of bandwidth, who'll pay? Oct 20 17:39:57 so you're saying all gambling is dice, it being the best way to put it out there? Oct 20 17:40:06 *basket Oct 20 17:40:22 dr_love: Write a bitbet "Between XX/YY/ZZZ and AA/BB/CCC the sum of the numbers drawn in a powerball drawing will be Divisible by 37" put 1 BTC on yes, wait for people to take the other side when they do the math. Oct 20 17:40:23 *the best, most efficient wrapper Oct 20 17:40:27 jurov a) most dcs that are even half decent don't charge for ddos ; b) those that do rent you fixed pipe anyway Oct 20 17:40:29 100$ a week should not be a number of importance Oct 20 17:40:31 so i dun get the question. Oct 20 17:40:48 or you are doing it wrong Oct 20 17:40:53 buy 10gpps, put a rack in there, forget it. Oct 20 17:41:10 BingoBoingo: that is interesting Oct 20 17:41:19 so you'll gonna having customers that dwarf the $100 figure right from the start? Oct 20 17:41:28 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14904 @ 0.00074128 = 11.048 BTC [-] Oct 20 17:41:32 dr_love: BitBet only takes 1% and most people who bet there can math Oct 20 17:41:34 * only has quit () Oct 20 17:41:47 is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog? Oct 20 17:41:55 *wanting to pay Oct 20 17:42:17 jurov so if a business isn't insta-cash positive it shouldn't exist ? Oct 20 17:42:20 no, he didnt get ddosed & kicked out yet :) Oct 20 17:42:26 jurov: Well... if he doesn't have any other way to spend BTC it might be their only way to avoid burial with him. Oct 20 17:42:34 start with oh i dunno, 10k in venture capital Oct 20 17:43:30 * joecool_ (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:44:04 * dnaleor has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 20 17:44:05 !up MCM-Mike Oct 20 17:44:06 * assbot gives voice to MCM-Mike Oct 20 17:44:36 i'm a dc noob... how much is such a pipe? Oct 20 17:44:38 http://www.missilebases.com/#!communications-bunker-paris-mo/c1kkg << prototype for BTC datacenter? Oct 20 17:44:39 Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties Oct 20 17:44:41 mircea_popescu: so dice is the cutting edge in gambling, you're saying Oct 20 17:45:02 jurov depends a lot where and for how long you're getting it, really. Oct 20 17:45:02 dr_love: Well dice is the prototype for all of the pure chance games Oct 20 17:45:05 * assbot gives voice to undata Oct 20 17:45:15 btw, why aren't you running JD already? Oct 20 17:45:27 cuz dooglus is not answering emails ? Oct 20 17:45:30 There are some BTC only vps providers out there that I've gleamed, but haven't dug in.. Would be interesting to look into, I've got all the experience needed, and a few others I know are vps sellers/resellers (not that I'd recommend many of them, heh.. but I just find their style a bit sloppy). Oct 20 17:45:32 fucker Oct 20 17:45:37 * kleinessteak has quit () Oct 20 17:45:46 what a waste :( Oct 20 17:45:56 hey, his thing. Oct 20 17:46:19 brb, gonna finish this novel up and send it to BingoBoingo. Oct 20 17:46:28 Oh a long one! Oct 20 17:46:36 jesus, qntra chick lit now. Oct 20 17:47:32 * jurov is pondering http://www.maxdedicated.com/10GBPS-Unmetered-Server.html Oct 20 17:47:33 10GBPS Unmetered Dedicated Servers Windows and Linux Cpanel PLESK WHM Oct 20 17:47:41 $600/mo + Oct 20 17:47:49 Well.. since it's my first, I figure you can at least cut and scrap what you don't like. But I wanted to include as much as I could, didn't realize it'd be so long, heh.. Oct 20 17:47:55 jurov that's a reseller. Oct 20 17:48:08 just ballparking Oct 20 17:48:25 should be more or less in the $100 range that you were discussing. Oct 20 17:48:41 BingoBoingo: what's "exciting" in lotto is the huge, lifechanging jackpot. dice is much more real in that sense, so the conversion rate might just be bigger in lotto Oct 20 17:48:42 * joecool_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Oct 20 17:48:43 but very congested places it can run significantly more, and some (esp new) places may be giving it away free for a long commit Oct 20 17:49:10 dr_love understand : either the player wins his own money (ie, risks 1 cent, may make 100 btc 1:10000 times) Oct 20 17:49:13 "13 acres" parces size and "8200 sqft usable, underground space". seems like a rather small bunker for that plot of land. so essentially buying a farm with some stray concrete in the soil? Oct 20 17:49:21 s/parces/parcel/ Oct 20 17:49:29 or else he wins other's money. to get a jackpot large you need a bunch of idiots to play a bad odds gamre for a long time. Oct 20 17:49:38 they may just as well play dice in that interval for better EV Oct 20 17:49:53 bounce: Well more parcel for smaller bunker means more surface area for missiles to miss Oct 20 17:50:05 I do understand that, however people are perceiving it differently and positive EV tickets are a few jackpot rollovers away Oct 20 17:50:11 bounce 8k sqft underground is a respectable wine cellar. Oct 20 17:50:46 dr_love you can still run it like BingoBoingo suggested, for no extra cost, if you got the "people" in question Oct 20 17:51:27 what was it used for, missiles? Oct 20 17:53:11 * Uglux has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 20 17:53:12 bounce: That one ATT long lines. Oct 20 17:53:25 Another interesting candidate for DC use http://www.missilebases.com/#!storage-depot-ne-kansas/c1d1o Oct 20 17:53:26 Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties Oct 20 17:53:41 "Storage Depot" Oct 20 17:54:29 BingoBoingo pretty much the only thing about a dc location is if it's on a ring or not. Oct 20 17:54:36 is there one in kansas ? Oct 20 17:54:45 that's positive, means presumably already optimised for sticking in racked gear, except probably not for the density and consequent heat required these days Oct 20 17:55:13 what if you fund it for it to be neutral EV from t0 with a little jackpot kickstarter fund on the side? you can surely make it back if you grab enough attention with the initial offering Oct 20 17:55:27 That one seems to be by KC, so probably feasible to get fiber from a few different directions Oct 20 17:55:40 might be more useful to shoot for two of those connected to each other, and stick some fibre in the connecting tubes. maybe check if there's still copper in there and sell it. Oct 20 17:55:59 * samson2 (~samson_@180.183.80.4) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:57:01 speaking of bunkers http://www.cyberbunker.com/web/swat.php Oct 20 17:57:02 heh Oct 20 17:57:03 CyberBunker DataCenters Oct 20 17:57:13 * samson_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 20 17:57:15 http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/m.dodge/cybergeography/atlas/williamscommunications_large.gif << seems west kansas should be ok Oct 20 17:57:27 * gernika (~gernika@c-50-184-145-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:57:41 http://www.missilebases.com/#!nike-indiana/c1aq8 << Missile Magazine to home conversion Oct 20 17:57:43 Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties Oct 20 17:58:02 dr_love hence the "gem website" reference. Oct 20 17:58:53 * dnaleor (~creveroel@ptr-212-224-215-13.dyn.mobistar.be) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:59:07 * punkman1 (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:59:09 cb3rob and friends are complete nitwits, sadly. claim to've snagged the thing "with sovereignty" then allows a bunch of idiots to burn the place down with a meth lab and on top of that lets the (soi-disant foreign) authorities in. Oct 20 17:59:17 * smidge (~smiddel@HSI-KBW-078-043-193-229.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 17:59:41 * punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) Oct 20 17:59:54 Once the SWAT team reached the bunker's blast doors, they 'knock' to announce their presence. It is unclear exactly what they say, as no sound is recorded from the surveillance system. CyberBunker is equipped with an advanced Intruder Detection System (IDS), however due to a testing drill the previous night the IDS system was accidentally left in the inactive mode. Two SWAT officers are seen to hit the blast door of th Oct 20 17:59:54 e bunker with a battering ram. It must not have occurred to the officers that the blast doors were designed to withstand a 20 megaton nuclear explosion from close range. When the SWAT team realized that the door was not being opened for them, they throw flashbangs and take other actions to draw attention. The surveillance footage shows quite a lot of activity at this point. On the other side of the blast doors, no one Oct 20 17:59:55 inside the bunker noticed anything unusual. The SWAT team did some further investigating, and appears to be making phone calls. Finally the SWAT team realized what occurred when City Hall attempted to breach the blast doors. Apparently recognizing that they had gone overboard on their raid, the SWAT team decided to go home. Oct 20 17:59:59 aww. Oct 20 18:00:02 * yhwh__ (~yhwh@151.236.26.14) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:00:53 * dr_love has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 20 18:00:53 dat phonecall lol. like a chick stood up on a date, only lulzier. Oct 20 18:01:21 that is the upside to "forgetting" to turn on your "advanced surveillance system" on your cold war bunker. "what, swat tried to raid us? didn't notice" Oct 20 18:01:35 that is beautiful Oct 20 18:01:39 "CyberBunker's lawyers later discovered that the police had indeed sent officers to the bunker for what they claimed was a “routine check” and that nothing out of the ordinary had taken place. When CyberBunker's lawyers suggested that the surveillance footage could be put online, the police department then quickly offered to pay to repair the damage caused to the fence. Oct 20 18:01:39 After paying € 8088.- euros to CyberBunker, nothing further was heard from the SWAT team." Oct 20 18:01:42 ahem. shitheads. Oct 20 18:01:43 * dr_love (~dr_love@www.nowhere-else.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:01:53 !up dr_love Oct 20 18:01:54 * assbot gives voice to dr_love Oct 20 18:02:14 !up Diablo-D3 Oct 20 18:02:14 * assbot gives voice to Diablo-D3 Oct 20 18:02:24 at least they admi it Oct 20 18:02:24 mircea_popescu: that was proven to be completely false Oct 20 18:02:25 admit Oct 20 18:02:28 someone called their local cops Oct 20 18:02:30 it never happened Oct 20 18:02:58 yeah like cops will say "yeah we are such dorks" Oct 20 18:03:09 not saying its true story, just your argument is meh Oct 20 18:03:19 kakobrekla: they did a lot of research into it Oct 20 18:03:25 and theres zero proof it ever happened Oct 20 18:03:29 "It was ruled a suicide with 4 shots to the back of the head." Oct 20 18:03:34 reeshurrdurrch Oct 20 18:03:43 so cyberbunker is just another scam Oct 20 18:03:59 Diablo-D3: citation Oct 20 18:03:59 * yhwh_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Oct 20 18:04:05 "they". who ? Oct 20 18:04:08 undata: well thats the problem Oct 20 18:04:21 undata: cyberbunker needs to cite that it actually happened Oct 20 18:04:33 and by their own admission, they wont post the video Oct 20 18:04:44 but its not because they were paid off by the police to hide it Oct 20 18:04:48 its because there isnt one Oct 20 18:05:13 it could be, sure. Oct 20 18:05:20 or it could not be. so far, word against word. Oct 20 18:05:40 people were even offering money for proof Oct 20 18:05:44 nothing ever came up Oct 20 18:05:52 "people" "money", meh. Oct 20 18:06:03 this was big news a few years back Oct 20 18:06:08 Diablo-D3: yeah, I want citations in both directions Oct 20 18:06:23 undata: well, Im not going to cite something that long ago Oct 20 18:06:31 * nubbins` (~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:06:32 I dont think the scam is still operating Oct 20 18:06:34 so basically you had nothing to say ? Oct 20 18:06:43 Diablo-D3: you're claiming "scam" hence citation or gtfo Oct 20 18:06:45 mircea_popescu: I already said it Oct 20 18:06:47 it was debunked. Oct 20 18:06:47 * dnaleor has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) Oct 20 18:06:52 except it wasn't. Oct 20 18:06:57 * davidlatapie (~david__@m83-180-12-209.cust.tele2.ee) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:07:04 no proof it ever happened, they refused to provide it Oct 20 18:07:08 so it never happened Oct 20 18:07:08 right. Oct 20 18:07:13 good enough. Oct 20 18:08:23 in other news, http://sarademcutoti.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/424219_347892685293888_904705219_n.jpg Oct 20 18:08:33 * PeterL (~peterl@99-36-242-186.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:09:36 * assbot gives voice to PeterL Oct 20 18:09:42 ahhh. hey, am i the only strega fan here ? Oct 20 18:09:50 ;;google liquore strega Oct 20 18:09:51 Strega (liqueur) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Liquore Strega Herbal Liqueur Profile and Cocktail Recipes - Cocktails: ; Liquore Strega : Strega Alberti Benevento S.p.A.: Oct 20 18:09:52 mircea_popescu: is it off topic if I ask you what do you think of jarmusch, the filmmaker? any fav movies? Oct 20 18:09:55 * belcher (~belcher-s@unaffiliated/belcher) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:10:09 dr_love nothing's offtopic anyway. kakobrekla's favourite film director. Oct 20 18:10:59 certainly one of the fav yes. Oct 20 18:11:05 kakobrekla who else ? Oct 20 18:11:40 I'm just starting to discover him, watched the limits of control recently Oct 20 18:11:48 ;;google trilema coffee and cigarettes Oct 20 18:11:49 Coffee Talk Table of Contents - Columbia Evangelical Seminary: ; UI Critical Thinking Handbook: Chapter Seven -- Theory: ; Topic tags for the tutor2u Economics blog: Oct 20 18:11:54 hm Oct 20 18:12:06 nothing out of the ordinary list. kubrick and such. Oct 20 18:12:44 and from 'local' ones, kustarica Oct 20 18:12:55 * davidlatapie (~david__@m83-180-12-209.cust.tele2.ee) has left #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:15:01 * assbot removes voice from MCM-Mike Oct 20 18:15:16 * Adlai liked ghost dog Oct 20 18:16:08 anyway, i thought i had written about coffee and ciggs. seems not ?! Oct 20 18:17:11 you should Oct 20 18:17:12 dr_love : from him dead man and the limits of control Oct 20 18:17:24 dead men being lulzy as fuck Oct 20 18:17:40 kakobrekla o you didn't like coffee and ciggs ? Oct 20 18:17:59 * morgan-freeman_ (5b7fa066@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.127.160.102) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:18:02 i dont recall if i watched it? Oct 20 18:18:24 kakobrekla, what about only lovers left alive Oct 20 18:18:48 i havent seen it Oct 20 18:19:00 seems a new thing Oct 20 18:19:23 limits of control is a metaphysical art movie. Oct 20 18:19:30 !up morgan-freeman_ Oct 20 18:19:30 * assbot gives voice to morgan-freeman_ Oct 20 18:20:06 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35225 @ 0.00074068 = 26.0905 BTC [-] {4} Oct 20 18:20:50 * dnaleor (~creveroel@ptr-212-224-215-13.dyn.mobistar.be) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:21:23 hey guys, did you see this epic use of bitcoin? www.shitexpress.com Oct 20 18:21:25 kakobrekla: ye, I like the way his movies aren't intended as message films. it's more like art, really Oct 20 18:21:27 i am literally laughing my shit off Oct 20 18:21:52 morgan-freeman_ now you only need to ship it. Oct 20 18:22:22 * punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:22:24 to shit it and ship it Oct 20 18:22:33 dr_love myea sort of. one more than others naturally. Oct 20 18:22:39 morgan-freeman_ let me guess, you can mail shit to people ? Oct 20 18:23:07 correct Oct 20 18:23:47 new way to stegano, i guess. Oct 20 18:23:49 * punkman1 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 20 18:23:49 well, I don't know but there is only a horse manure as a choice.. once I saw an elephant shit on one site, but no bitcoins Oct 20 18:24:12 why are you spamming this in as many channels as you can? Oct 20 18:24:24 yeah, morgan-freeman_ is this your site ? Oct 20 18:24:56 what do you guys listen to? Oct 20 18:25:04 * nubbins` has quit (Quit: Quit) Oct 20 18:25:33 http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/paul-krugmans-house/view/bing/ << send krugman one lb, i'll pay you once he gets it. Oct 20 18:25:34 Paul Krugman's house (Bing Maps) - Virtual Globetrotting Oct 20 18:25:57 >At the end of a tree-lined driveway in the small Dutch town of Goes sits a hulking gray bunker, a communications center built by the Dutch military in 1955. Its 60 rooms are mostly bare save for a few relics, including a cinderblock-size phone and a giant board that used to record nuclear attack alert levels across Europe. There’s no sign of the high-tech nerve center depicted on the CyberBunker website: no racks of supersecur Oct 20 18:25:57 e servers; no underground swimming pool. No Sven Olaf Kamphuis either. Oct 20 18:26:47 lol Oct 20 18:27:00 apparently a legit company bought this fake company bunker. Oct 20 18:27:08 legit hosting company Oct 20 18:27:09 dunno Oct 20 18:27:10 haha link ? Oct 20 18:27:12 all is weird Oct 20 18:27:14 bounce: I don't spam! my friends told me to put it on #bitcoin-assets and #bitcoin-otc - I've never seen these two channels so I tried Oct 20 18:27:16 http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-04/cyberbunker-hacking-as-performance-art Oct 20 18:27:16 CyberBunker: Hacking as Performance Art - Businessweek Oct 20 18:27:30 who're these friends of yours? Oct 20 18:27:31 “It was all Photoshop,” says Guido Blaauw, general manager of the bunker’s current tenant, a company called Bunkerinfra Datacenters, which plans to turn the site into a data facility for corporate and government clients. The building was full of junk when Bunkerinfra started renovations two years ago. “It took us three months to clean it out,” Blaauw says. Kamphuis lived there for a few years in the early 2000s, sub Oct 20 18:27:31 letting a room from its owner at that time. According to Blaauw, Kamphuis seized on the image of the bunker as a marketing tool to attract Russian and Chinese clients who wanted a secure place to host their websites. “It’s time to put an end to the fairy tale,” Blaauw says. Oct 20 18:27:57 o hey. Oct 20 18:28:41 bounce: just my friends :-) but I suppose some of their friends created the website Oct 20 18:29:01 that isn't really an answer. Oct 20 18:29:17 bounce: or they saw it today on producthunt.com Oct 20 18:29:37 :-) One weird trick to mail shit to your friends! Must see! Oct 20 18:30:20 morgan-freeman_: How is your shit better than the shit I can by by the truckload at the farm down the road for a few dollars a ton? Oct 20 18:30:29 * yhwh__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 20 18:30:45 I know a few people who I look up to, who have bad taste in art. I always wondered if there's a correlation of some sort Oct 20 18:31:02 bing'o'shit express? Oct 20 18:31:07 dr_love some pretty girls are terrible lays, too. Oct 20 18:31:10 just how the world works. Oct 20 18:31:32 lol bing'o'shit express now that sounds like business. Oct 20 18:32:12 kakobrekla: Well if you are mailing shit why get clean clinically presentd shit from the Internet while there's piles of shit Dairy farms are selling which has been stewing all summer. Oct 20 18:32:19 * assbot removes voice from dr_love Oct 20 18:32:19 * assbot removes voice from Diablo-D3 Oct 20 18:33:07 hmm Oct 20 18:33:29 for more effect you could just modify a 'jokerbox' to 'shitbox' Oct 20 18:33:40 illustration not necessary. Oct 20 18:34:20 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36621 @ 0.00074029 = 27.1102 BTC [-] Oct 20 18:35:08 * smidge has quit (Quit: sorry, but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...) Oct 20 18:35:41 * Nomos7 (~textual@pool-71-163-224-249.washdc.east.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:37:36 !up dr_love Oct 20 18:37:37 * assbot gives voice to dr_love Oct 20 18:38:44 means it works the other way too? retards can show appreciation for good art? Oct 20 18:39:03 sure. Oct 20 18:39:18 dogs loive music all the time, too. Oct 20 18:39:56 or shit artists can create good art, from time to time Oct 20 18:40:47 * morgan-freeman_ has quit (Quit: Page closed) Oct 20 18:41:25 illustrious example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KQoHKkZZkA Oct 20 18:41:26 GEORGE MICHAEL Spinning the wheel - YouTube Oct 20 18:42:40 sorry, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSoMTkn_Qfg Oct 20 18:42:41 George Michael - Spinning The Wheel - YouTube Oct 20 18:45:30 I'm 14 and what is this Oct 20 18:45:32 <[]bot> Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.8359 BTC. Current weight: 64,561. Oct 20 18:46:49 oh. you went over to the dark side too then? Oct 20 18:46:54 * samson2 is now known as samson_ Oct 20 18:49:20 * mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:49:31 * OX3_ (~OX3@host109-153-174-109.range109-153.btcentralplus.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:49:55 * assbot gives voice to mike_c Oct 20 18:50:59 * OX3_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 20 18:51:32 * OX3_ (~OX3@gateway-nat.fmrib.ox.ac.uk) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:53:39 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23753 @ 0.00074005 = 17.5784 BTC [-] {2} Oct 20 18:54:00 jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog << machine is wanted for nosuchlabs.com - currently home to 'phuctor.' i've an astonishingly vast quantity of donated pubkeys - job that wants real, vs. virtual, cpu to crunch (and plentiful memory) Oct 20 18:54:35 bunker << if against usg - grave. marauders - sure, so long as you have independent air, water, fuel, food supplies. Oct 20 18:54:54 if you're a very special customer, they'll pump in sarin/vx. Oct 20 18:55:11 what sort of cpu do you need? would gpu do? Oct 20 18:55:12 these were never designed to withstand physical attack by men (vs nuke) Oct 20 18:55:15 bounce: no Oct 20 18:56:32 my father, as a private in soviet army, was trained, like many others, to take out 'silo' type missile installations with ordinary grenade. (how? jam the door by propping small explosive, e.g., grenade, under one rail. tricky bit is to get to the damn thing, across an ocean and under guard...) Oct 20 18:57:03 but hypothetical enemy in our modern scenario has no problem getting to the door. Oct 20 18:59:20 * mgio (6c07d02e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.7.208.46) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 18:59:45 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16130 @ 0.00073892 = 11.9188 BTC [-] {2} Oct 20 18:59:46 "blah blah new australian exchange is where investors, traders and everyday people come to buy and sell Bitcoin." today's vol 21 btc Oct 20 19:00:46 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6570 @ 0.0007382 = 4.85 BTC [-] Oct 20 19:00:57 * dr_love has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 20 19:01:14 asciilifeform: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat operating inside? Oct 20 19:01:37 * dr_love (~dr_love@www.nowhere-else.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 19:01:53 isnt cutting the net pipe the first and the last thing ? Oct 20 19:02:13 ^ that Oct 20 19:02:32 * dr_love has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 20 19:02:46 But who knows? maybe drilling netpipe to china will be feasible eventually Oct 20 19:06:29 even if you have a netpipe straight down its sill easy to undercut it Oct 20 19:06:38 :\ Oct 20 19:07:05 Yeah Oct 20 19:07:07 kakobrekla through earth pipe will never happen Oct 20 19:07:14 It might Oct 20 19:07:18 mantle movements and besides, it's where lava comes from Oct 20 19:07:23 BingoBoingo it provably won;t, no. Oct 20 19:07:29 shutthefuckup in this metaphysical conversation Oct 20 19:07:38 lmao Oct 20 19:07:40 mircea_popescu: No one said it would last Oct 20 19:08:00 BingoBoingo my first qntra is ready for your consideration: http://pastebin.com/ctTHPWbg Oct 20 19:08:01 Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" - Pastebin.com Oct 20 19:08:33 Just needs to work long enough to pass "hello Wor[melts]" kind of like reverse moon probe Oct 20 19:08:50 o hecy check that out, 7 pieces today so far ? Oct 20 19:09:25 what a team! Oct 20 19:09:42 im pretty impressed yeah Oct 20 19:10:04 BingoBoingo hopefully you have footnotes plug-in that accepts double brackets ? Oct 20 19:10:15 pete_dushenski: Who doesn't Oct 20 19:10:23 lol standards are a thinb Oct 20 19:10:30 lol there's a square bracket one too yknow Oct 20 19:10:53 i don't use it but it exists Oct 20 19:11:34 and i kept the contravex links to a single one ;) Oct 20 19:11:39 in other news http://rt.com/news/197648-moscow-vnukovo-jet-crash/ Oct 20 19:11:50 "I am Ratna, 47 years, still having good figure, which is a result of satisfying fucking with different people during last 15 year. In my first 32 year I took only one cock in my cunt whereas in next 15 year I must have taken at least 3000 cocks in my body. This all because of my only son." Oct 20 19:11:51 logic. Oct 20 19:12:16 yup. no conflating variables there. Oct 20 19:12:16 <@xanthyos> AND SB SAW MY PENIS, WHICH IS LIKE A GRANDMOTHER TO ME, SINCE MINE DIED Oct 20 19:12:44 all these planes keep crashing in russia ... Oct 20 19:13:08 but its been like days since the last one Oct 20 19:13:36 ah right. nm, my bad. Oct 20 19:13:36 still safer than russian cars too so that maxim holds Oct 20 19:15:25 he ends with 'im sure we will be getting in more details as we get them.' Oct 20 19:15:30 righto Oct 20 19:17:46 http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-tells-big-banks-thanks-for-lunch/ << pete_dushenski Oct 20 19:17:47 Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" | Qntra.net Oct 20 19:18:22 >his new Lords < extra space Oct 20 19:19:21 https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/524339019954794497 Oct 20 19:19:23 My first piece for /qntra: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" http://t.co/DtFQOFXNEL Oct 20 19:19:58 * bitstein has quit (Quit: bitstein) Oct 20 19:20:35 my goodness we're an efficient bunch Oct 20 19:20:45 * pete_dushenski getting teary Oct 20 19:22:21 * Evolyn_ (~Evolyn@2a02:8071:41a8:2100:3984:13ff:30e4:1e8b) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 19:22:45 have a wonderful evening b-a! Oct 20 19:22:48 * pete_dushenski has quit () Oct 20 19:24:25 ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: Oct 20 19:24:25 The operation succeeded. Oct 20 19:24:28 eh Oct 20 19:24:36 ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/31/y-combinator-the-american-idol-of-venture-capital/ Oct 20 19:24:37 The operation succeeded. Oct 20 19:24:38 Y Combinator: The American Idol of Venture Capital | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski Oct 20 19:24:59 * kakobrekla will fix all your sites Oct 20 19:25:51 * Evolyn has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Oct 20 19:27:50 * PeterL has quit (Quit: PeterL) Oct 20 19:34:11 * mgio has quit (Quit: Page closed) Oct 20 19:38:54 * Nomos7 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Oct 20 19:40:25 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13705 @ 0.0007382 = 10.117 BTC [-] Oct 20 19:42:59 * Diablo-D3 has quit (Quit: do coders dream of sheep()?) Oct 20 19:43:44 * Diablo-D3 (~diablo@exelion.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 19:47:09 * CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) Oct 20 19:54:15 lol kako teh pentester Oct 20 20:04:08 * joecool_ (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:06:01 * OX3_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 20 20:08:53 * joecool_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) Oct 20 20:12:46 does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage? Oct 20 20:15:34 http://qntra.net/2014/10/independent-reserve-becomes-australias-latest-bitcoin-exchange/ Oct 20 20:15:35 Independent Reserve Becomes Australia's Latest Bitcoin Exchange | Qntra.net Oct 20 20:17:29 ben_vulpes http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.5.3/ etc. Oct 20 20:17:30 Page not found - SourceForge.net Oct 20 20:17:33 eh ?! Oct 20 20:17:39 bwahahaha Oct 20 20:18:03 all i have is the github repo Oct 20 20:18:10 * TheKingOfCPU (~TheKingOf@c-50-169-19-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:18:21 !up TheKingOfCPU Oct 20 20:18:21 * assbot gives voice to TheKingOfCPU Oct 20 20:18:25 hi Oct 20 20:18:56 hi everyone Oct 20 20:18:58 =) Oct 20 20:19:20 ello. Oct 20 20:19:22 salad Oct 20 20:19:57 ben_vulpes https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.7.1 << there Oct 20 20:20:11 https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.6.3 etc Oct 20 20:20:41 ya got it Oct 20 20:21:55 should the news have as much of a slant as a blog post? Oct 20 20:22:15 or, to rephrase. a news article shouldn't have as much of a slant as a blog post. Oct 20 20:22:18 "news" is all slant Oct 20 20:22:52 all communication has a slant. a news article should strive to have less than a blogger. Oct 20 20:23:17 mike_c which article Oct 20 20:23:42 i don't mean to poop on pete, but his is the one i just read. Oct 20 20:24:07 it is listed under commentary Oct 20 20:24:37 ok, that is good. but that is also news i would like to have. Oct 20 20:25:02 mike_c be specific ? Oct 20 20:25:05 generally the editorial that is slanted is not the only source of news on the topic. Oct 20 20:25:09 (i've not read it) Oct 20 20:25:27 " the world's largest banks gathered together to hold hands and sing kumbaya in the hope that Bitcoin would be gentle" Oct 20 20:25:49 is maynous an instrument? Oct 20 20:25:58 nothing wrong with this in a commentary, but I would also like to be able to read the un-slanted version. Oct 20 20:26:02 yeah hardly news this. Oct 20 20:26:17 is maynous an instrument? Oct 20 20:26:17 should be pythra instead qntra Oct 20 20:26:36 !down TheKingOfCPU Oct 20 20:26:36 mike_c, which pete linked to but it's a commentary and as news alone, i don't think anyone cares what someone said regarding bitcoin so it could only be commentary on qntra Oct 20 20:26:37 * assbot removes voice from TheKingOfCPU Oct 20 20:27:24 cazalla no but he has a point, what kumbaya. Oct 20 20:31:25 I hit publish on Pete's piece, in the Commentary category not the news category. Oct 20 20:31:45 usurper! Oct 20 20:31:46 * ericmuys_ (~ericmuyse@S010628c68e00af53.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:31:55 lol Oct 20 20:32:06 My bad Oct 20 20:32:19 * TheKingOfCPU (~TheKingOf@c-50-169-19-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:32:37 BingoBoingo you know ther's really no diff the site makes. if commentary went to a special page you had to click for then i see it Oct 20 20:32:43 but as is, it's all the same thing, aka news. Oct 20 20:32:58 this independent reserve mob are on irc apparently, just wrong network and channel Oct 20 20:33:14 BingoBoingo: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat << if the universe favoured defenders of castles, rather than attackers, bitcoin would not be necessary Oct 20 20:33:25 the 'martian bank' could be a literal martian bank. Oct 20 20:33:28 anyway, guy's prose is rather florid, but there IS a news bit in there. Oct 20 20:33:41 asciilifeform: Well what protected the Wasp's bag? Oct 20 20:33:52 cazalla where ? Oct 20 20:33:58 Why can't a datacenter be protected similarly? Oct 20 20:33:59 BingoBoingo: until destroyed - obscurity Oct 20 20:34:13 irc.oz.org #ir but i've invited them here Oct 20 20:34:41 asciilifeform: And maybe people learn not to visit datacenters uninvited... Oct 20 20:35:06 BingoBoingo: cut pipe from safe distance. Oct 20 20:35:33 Safe distance is a mystery though... Oct 20 20:35:56 cazalla good idea. Oct 20 20:36:10 a datacenter that can't be diddled from a safe distance is also called 'a nuclear power' Oct 20 20:36:15 * ericmuys_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) Oct 20 20:37:00 asciilifeform: Nothing I said contradicts that conclusion. At $900k/BTC a lot of things become possibilities Oct 20 20:37:59 * paxtoncamaro91 (~paxtoncam@unaffiliated/paxtoncamaro91) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:38:07 * asciilifeform addresses the worms who people his future grave 'eh boys, you'll be lighting benjies with lit benjies' Oct 20 20:38:35 * TheNewDeal (ce2d690b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.45.105.11) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:38:49 lol Oct 20 20:39:48 * Blazedout420 (~Rogue@76-243-42-91.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:40:16 * Blazedout419 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) Oct 20 20:43:19 !b 2 Oct 20 20:43:21 Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZT50FA.txt ) Oct 20 20:45:29 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00073803 = 14.0595 BTC [-] {2} Oct 20 20:45:30 * Diablo-D3 has quit (Quit: do coders dream of sheep()?) Oct 20 20:49:29 * virtuals (~virtuals@dsl-prvbrasgw1-50dc13-29.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:50:45 dude varnish is sweet. Oct 20 20:51:12 mircea_popescu re-varnishing transformers again? Oct 20 20:51:26 nono, varnish the web cache Oct 20 20:51:45 * asciilifeform is a 20th century creature Oct 20 20:51:54 https://www.varnish-software.com/ Oct 20 20:51:55 Varnish Software Oct 20 20:51:56 varnish - lives on transformers. Oct 20 20:53:06 * gabriel_laddel has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 20 20:53:38 * virtuals has quit (Client Quit) Oct 20 20:54:02 * virtuals (~virtuals@dsl-prvbrasgw1-50dc13-29.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 20:54:26 varnish is okay Oct 20 20:55:02 so: isStandard() - this is not related to blockchain and transaction processing rules, correct? Oct 20 20:55:51 no it's totally in the transaction processing rules Oct 20 20:55:58 if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork Oct 20 20:56:11 if an 0.9 *node*... Oct 20 20:57:17 http://www.cbronline.com/news/tech/software/enterprise-apps/google-to-nix-piracy-sites-in-search-rank-201014-4411175 Oct 20 20:57:18 Google to nix piracy sites in search rank - Computer Business Review Oct 20 20:57:46 what is it with people pronouncing '0' as 'oh'? Oct 20 20:58:09 syllabic efficiency Oct 20 20:58:25 "an zero" sounds strange Oct 20 20:58:38 wouldn't it be "a zero"? Oct 20 20:58:54 ah hue Oct 20 20:58:58 i'm retarded, it's fine Oct 20 20:59:31 well no; not if you pronounce it "an oh point nine" Oct 20 20:59:42 i'd probably say "oh nine", but i should write "a 0.9..." Oct 20 20:59:52 and i never say the decimal Oct 20 20:59:58 "oh nine three" Oct 20 21:00:27 * gabriel_laddel (~user@c-67-161-28-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 21:00:43 "zero point nine point three" Oct 20 21:01:42 * assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel Oct 20 21:01:47 i'm sure it matters to someone Oct 20 21:05:38 ``In August 2012 we first announced that we would downrank sites for which we received a large number of valid DMCA notices.'' -- they get flooded with bot-generated "DMCA notices". what do they do to make sure they're "valid"? looking at youtube, not that much. Oct 20 21:06:47 'heighten the contradictions' Oct 20 21:07:51 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00073798 = 5.6131 BTC [-] Oct 20 21:09:56 if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork << yep Oct 20 21:10:11 and an incurable one, at that. Oct 20 21:11:06 this was the mechanism of the previous hard fork : .8 miners included tx rejected by the network, moved on a different chain. Oct 20 21:11:32 * AdamIR (~Avatar@wf-171-99-151-3.revip9.asianet.co.th) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 21:11:37 !up AdamIR Oct 20 21:11:38 * assbot gives voice to AdamIR Oct 20 21:12:49 mircea_popescu, that's Adam Tepper from that new aussie exchange Oct 20 21:13:18 is this the thing with the bitfury buys ? Oct 20 21:13:27 no, that's digitalBTC Oct 20 21:13:50 ah independent reserve, kay. Oct 20 21:13:53 http://www.independentreserve is our site. Oct 20 21:14:00 Thanks for the invitation and introduction cazalla. Oct 20 21:14:12 http://www.independentreserve.com rather. Oct 20 21:14:16 Independent Reserve - The Bitcoin Market Oct 20 21:14:39 AdamIR get in the wot. actually why aren';t you in there already ? Oct 20 21:16:49 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/20/secret-service-fbi-hack-cybersecuurity/17615029/ Oct 20 21:16:50 Officials warn 500 million financial records hacked Oct 20 21:17:00 << "Our government and our businesses are in a daily fight against hackers," Pawlenty said. "It's getting increasingly concerning, and it needs to be met with action by Congress." >> Oct 20 21:17:11 oh good, more legislation Oct 20 21:17:18 mircea_popescu - I joined #bitcoin-otc. Will have a look in more detail later, thanks. Oct 20 21:17:22 cazalla i imagine these should really be all massed into one weekly post or something. X, Y and Z opened. K L and M closed." Oct 20 21:17:24 microshit still not razed and employees not publicly impaled, news at 11. Oct 20 21:17:26 maybe even have a dead pool Oct 20 21:17:48 AdamIR you dont want to be there. Oct 20 21:17:54 asciilifeform: they're going to make hacking even more illegal; you'll see! Oct 20 21:18:12 oh good, more legislation << asciilifeform has it. "everyone ever worked for microsoft, one year in prison per year worked, plus one year in prison per 100k in salary ever received. sentences over 20 years commuted to death." Oct 20 21:18:23 kakobrekla - just having a look what it's all about. Oct 20 21:18:32 everyone OTHER than ms has a year to either discontinue their business or fix it. Oct 20 21:18:37 check out the sudden security everywhere Oct 20 21:18:55 * AdamIR is now known as AdamIRAway Oct 20 21:19:12 mircea_popescu, that's an idea, i like to cover them just so i know if/when they close i have something to refer back to if they change their story at that point Oct 20 21:19:16 AdamIRAway ok, so when you say last mover advantage/having studied what others did worng, what specifically do you mean ? Oct 20 21:19:36 'One Romanian hacker was lured to Boston by Secret Service Special Agent Matt O'Neill, who used the Internet to pose as a woman and invite the cybercriminal on a trip to the USA to enjoy gambling and romance. "He was quite surprised that I was the one meeting him when he arrived," said O'Neill, who worked on the case for months.' << lol, is anyone actually this stupid? even sp4mz0rs? Oct 20 21:19:39 cazalla yeah, i feel you. but should really be one paragraph at best. just the details. Oct 20 21:19:49 asciilifeform yes. Oct 20 21:20:35 mircea_popescu... there's a number of things we do right, particularly compared with others in the Australia-Pacific region. Oct 20 21:20:45 AdamIRAway the idea was for specificity. Oct 20 21:20:57 Yes... typing... Oct 20 21:21:00 no rush. Oct 20 21:21:27 * mechtronic2001 (~mechtroni@173-16-9-27.client.mchsi.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 21:21:30 I realise some other exchanges do some of these things, but some of the ways I think that Independent Reserve is ahead of a lot of our competition is... Oct 20 21:23:12 1. Rather than rely on a technology/IT focused team (which is my own background), we brought onboard a lot of the executive team and investors with FX Markets, Investment Banking and Finance background, which I think has helped in many of the decisions we have made, and connections that we have made, and gives better overall balance and credibility to what we do. Oct 20 21:24:13 sure, go can't hurt. Oct 20 21:24:21 2. Rather than launch something quickly, we developed an enterprise level trading system over a period of twelve months and followed best practice in software development to develop a platform that we believe is secure, robust and stable. My own background as well as that of our CTO is in enterprise software development, and previously worked for many financial institutions in Australia. Oct 20 21:24:40 3. We have a very rich API. I realise other exchanges have this also, but not so in Australia. Oct 20 21:25:18 what ever came of MMADX incidentally ? Oct 20 21:25:28 4. Most people, particularly Australians (but other nationalities also), can verify themselves online within minutes, usually without having to submit any identification documents. In some cases we can't automatically verify that, we can still verify manually. Oct 20 21:26:24 * decimation (~decimatio@unaffiliated/decimation) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 21:26:47 5. Australians can make BPAY Deposits (it's an Australian thing), but we convert this to USD at around 2.5 % better than most banks will. International clients can do a SWIFT transfer direct into our USD account. The other Australian exchange trades AUD/XBT, but we chose USD to provide greater liquidity. Oct 20 21:26:53 http://asiaetrading.com/australian-company-to-automate-multi-trillion-dollar-debt-market-mmadx/ << Oct 20 21:26:55 Australian Company to Automate Multi-Trillion Dollar Debt Market MMADX | AsiaEtrading.com Oct 20 21:27:02 seems to have been "going to" in 2012 and then suddenly dissapeared. Oct 20 21:27:07 is this a reuse of that platform ? Oct 20 21:27:22 6. I think we are the only Bitcoin exchange in the world that is audited by one of the major auditing firms - PricewaterhouseCoopers Oct 20 21:27:45 PWC, the bitcoin experts! :) Oct 20 21:27:55 "to develop a platform that *we believe* is secure, robust and stable..." Oct 20 21:28:00 [emphasis mine] Oct 20 21:28:03 * assbot gives voice to decimation Oct 20 21:28:18 7. And again, this only applies to Australians. Because we are an open market exchange (not a brokerage), we are not obligated to charge 10 % GST on transactions, like other brokerages in the region do. Oct 20 21:28:26 AdamIRAway: you realize you basically saying "we are awesome at kyc/aml" Oct 20 21:28:49 decimation well, generally, "at interfacing with austrialian banks" Oct 20 21:29:24 decimation... it's important to take KYC/AML seriously, in order for us to work with banks. We do our best to make it as painless as possible for our clients, if we can. Oct 20 21:30:14 obligatory: Oct 20 21:30:16 "MMADX hopes to turn profitable in 2015. According to the presentation, its projected earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2016 and 2017 are A$23.2 million and A$34.2 million, respectively. At that time, or before, the company could undertake an initial public offering, the presentation states." Oct 20 21:30:24 so it never actually listed, best i can discern. did it close down ? Oct 20 21:30:27 AdamIRAway: are you going to be transparent to your customers w.r.t. actual daily balances? Oct 20 21:30:33 or is that only for pwc? Oct 20 21:30:35 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all Oct 20 21:30:35 of their profits are being used to pay executive salaries this will have to be built at extremely low cost. Deficiencies in the softwrae will enable vast numbers of Americans to download Bambi for free, their ISPs will be forced to rat them out, and they will all get to see Martha's Stewart's cell in West Virginia first hand...' (greenspun. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/03/08/#a7726 ) Oct 20 21:30:36 Philip Greenspun's Weblog » 2005 » March » 08 Oct 20 21:30:42 cazalla if you have a clue how to go through the aussie corp register, it's company code: 34149069910 Oct 20 21:30:50 gabriel_laddel... my emphasis was on *secure, robust and scalable* ;) Oct 20 21:31:38 asciilifeform incidentally, didja know that what actually broke the chicago mob was their ill advised attempt to muscle hollywood into shape ? Oct 20 21:31:40 AdamIRAway: Does you exchange handle shoebox in the mail full of paper money transactions? Oct 20 21:32:03 mircea_popescu: unsurprising Oct 20 21:32:14 people who tell the masses how to think and vote tend to maintain their position Oct 20 21:32:16 BingoBoingo: probably not, but your postman does! Oct 20 21:32:23 AdamIRAway: I see. Oct 20 21:32:26 BingoBoingo: he'll be happy to pay his grocery bill with them. Oct 20 21:33:17 mircea_popescu: propaganda ministry wins over ordinary mob Oct 20 21:33:24 decimation... Pwc will be auditing our finances, and we will make their report available. We are looking to engage them to audit our XBT reserves as well shortly. We aren't currently transparent day-to-day regarding our reserves/balances, but it is obviously something we will be looking to do shortly after our launch. Oct 20 21:33:26 mircea_popescu, Cancelled from 28 Feb 2014 Oct 20 21:33:29 asciilifeform: But in future world a shoebox full a benjies buys what? A single tomatoe? Oct 20 21:33:45 BingoBoingo: a few minutes of fire in potbelly stove Oct 20 21:33:51 AdamIRAway: that pretty much sounds to me something like "we plan to float bitcoin and hope we don't get screwed" Oct 20 21:34:51 anyway, since michael go doesn't seem on the menu, how did you get Admiral Markets's very own Lasanka Perera ? or what exactly is the arrangement there ? Oct 20 21:36:16 decimation... I'm not sure how you interpreted my statement to reach that viewpoint. We take both our USD and XBT reserves very seriously, and will be looking to provide cryptograhic proof of our Bitcoin reserves shortly. Oct 20 21:36:46 Lasanka Perera is a friend of mine, and co-founder of Independent Reserve. Oct 20 21:37:02 mircea_popescu, http://pastebin.com/DjYmbsEz Oct 20 21:37:02 Australian Company MONEY MARKET AND DEBT EXCHANGE PTY. LTD. ACN 149 069 910 - Pastebin.com Oct 20 21:37:13 * assbot gives voice to RagnarDanneskjol Oct 20 21:38:02 AdamIRAway any comment on how MMDX got deregistered ? Oct 20 21:38:35 * belcher has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 20 21:38:58 mircea_popescu - no sorry, can you give me some more context? Oct 20 21:40:47 yes. the context is like so : an old time forex broker with a kind-of mlm-y past that used to do metals and everything got together with a guy that had a company that was going to trade debt advertised then suddenly disappeared. they hired a coupla software dudes (you and the Przelozny) and a very clueless legal chick with no practice. in this context, i'm trying to figure out exactly how did said debt trading platform Oct 20 21:40:48 company get closed down. Oct 20 21:42:25 * assbot removes voice from AdamIRAway Oct 20 21:42:35 now my thinking is that you couldn't have spent very long making a dedicated platform, seeing how this just happened this year, so you're either reusing one or the other. i somehow doubt it's admiral's platform, so prolly im guessing mmdx's ? Oct 20 21:42:37 !up AdamIRAway Oct 20 21:42:38 * assbot gives voice to AdamIRAway Oct 20 21:43:29 mircea_popescu... I think you have the wrong idea about several points. Oct 20 21:43:41 well that's good, that's what you're here for after all. Oct 20 21:43:50 Eric S Raymond builds a computer >> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6389 Oct 20 21:43:53 Spending the “Help Stamp Out CVS In Your Lifetime” fund Oct 20 21:43:55 First of all, I'm not involved in any waay with MMDX - I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned it. Oct 20 21:44:12 but you did some research on your partners or no ? Oct 20 21:44:36 Secondly, we aren't using any software from Admiral Markets or MMDX, not a single line of code, I don't know what systems they've used previously. Our systems have been developed in-house over the past 15 months. Oct 20 21:44:49 eric raymond << obligatory: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archives Oct 20 21:44:50 Everybody loves Eric Raymond Oct 20 21:44:53 so this thing has existed for the past 15 months ?! Oct 20 21:45:01 http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/gpl-sucker-punch Oct 20 21:45:02 Everybody loves Eric Raymond » GPL sucker punch Oct 20 21:45:02 ^ Oct 20 21:45:21 Thirdly. Nobody hired a "couple of software dudes and a clueless legal chick", as you described... Oct 20 21:45:58 Myself, along with Adrian Przelozny are the majority shareholders of Independent Reserve. Oct 20 21:46:08 o, it goes the other way ? Oct 20 21:46:29 interesting. Oct 20 21:46:49 ok so basically you and the prezelozny fellow made this thing and reached out for some consultancy work from finance and legal peeps ? Oct 20 21:47:02 Our Compliance Specialist has a lot of experience in compliance obviously, and through her we have engaged Baker & McKenzie for specialised legal advice as required. Oct 20 21:47:11 * RagnarDanneskjol wonders how long this infomercial for indy reserve will go on (also do they have shiraz blend?).. changes channel Oct 20 21:47:34 RagnarDanneskjol... I was invited here, and asked questions. Oct 20 21:47:38 RagnarDanneskjol it's the trade gazette, what do you want. ppl gotta be able to answer. Oct 20 21:47:42 ok cool Oct 20 21:47:44 AdamIRAway dun worry about it. Oct 20 21:47:48 asciilifeform: Nao I have more to read Oct 20 21:47:50 Sorry they haven't been to your liking, I will be happy to leave if it's not welcome. Oct 20 21:48:33 dont mind me - sounded more like advert than adderessing relevant Qs Oct 20 21:48:53 AdamIRAway anyway, i think i get the basic idea. it's not bad or anything. get in the wot so bitcoin people have a direct point of contact and other than that, time will tell. Oct 20 21:50:27 http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/eric-buys-an-ipod Oct 20 21:50:27 Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Eric buys an Ipod Oct 20 21:52:25 * joecool_ (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 21:57:08 * joecool_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Oct 20 21:58:12 I remember his printer rant Oct 20 21:58:27 mircea_popescu... I've just been trying to get some context regarding what you were saying before... I thought you were referring to something Lasanka had been involved with... Oct 20 21:58:41 Adrian Przelozny, Lasanka Perera and myself were the co-founders of Independent Reserve. Oct 20 22:00:06 * AdamIR2 (~Avatar@wf-171-99-151-3.revip9.asianet.co.th) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 22:01:39 !up AdamIR2 Oct 20 22:01:40 * assbot gives voice to AdamIR2 Oct 20 22:01:44 I realise now you were talking about Michael Go, and his involvement with MMADX several years ago. I don't know the details of his involvement with that, but it is not connected with Independent Reserve. Oct 20 22:02:06 On that note... I need to go back and so some work. Thanks for your questions. Oct 20 22:02:58 * AdamIRAway has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) Oct 20 22:03:31 * gabriel_laddel has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 20 22:06:22 * AdamIR2 is now known as IRaway Oct 20 22:07:26 was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? Oct 20 22:08:40 'directly' ? Oct 20 22:08:56 wasn't it always in a Berkeley db? Oct 20 22:09:13 as opposed to BDB Oct 20 22:09:46 like, as a flat text file or something? Oct 20 22:09:53 * ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business. Oct 20 22:10:04 decimation: i imagined something like that, yeah. Oct 20 22:10:14 I doubt it, that would be crazy Oct 20 22:10:24 the code is out there for reading though, I suppose Oct 20 22:10:43 still working through the changelog Oct 20 22:11:22 http://www.zorinaq.com/pub/bitcoin-0.1.0.tgz Oct 20 22:11:38 asciilifeform: is that the 'satoshi' original turd? Oct 20 22:11:46 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68121.0 << possibly Oct 20 22:11:47 v0.1 Oct 20 22:11:51 * asciilifeform did not check the signature Oct 20 22:12:56 http://qntra.net/2014/10/intel-subsidiary-fined-for-crypto-export/ Oct 20 22:12:57 Intel Subsidiary Fined for Crypto Export | Qntra.net Oct 20 22:13:33 hashs check the website, fwiw Oct 20 22:14:11 was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? << yes. Oct 20 22:14:24 but that was long, long ago. Oct 20 22:14:52 I doubt it, that would be crazy << o yeah ? THE WALLET FILE WAS UNENCRYPTED. Oct 20 22:14:55 FOR TWO YEARS. Oct 20 22:15:09 hehe good point Oct 20 22:15:23 do not even get me started. they're using qt for fucks sake. Oct 20 22:15:34 incidentally, Oct 20 22:15:36 ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC Oct 20 22:15:36 Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book. Oct 20 22:15:55 satoshi is like costanza when it comes to implementation. pretty much every choice he has made, be it something to eat, something to wear, has been wrong. Oct 20 22:16:31 ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC Oct 20 22:16:32 Order id 21595 created. Oct 20 22:16:33 that bitcoin-0.1 turd definitely depends on db_cxx.h, which seems to be bdb, but that isn't a full answer Oct 20 22:16:33 ;;later tell nubbins` ^ that something you can do ? Oct 20 22:16:33 The operation succeeded. Oct 20 22:16:45 human skin cover optional. Oct 20 22:16:59 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35843 @ 0.00073796 = 26.4507 BTC [-] {2} Oct 20 22:17:01 decimation im pretty certain it had flatfiles early on. Oct 20 22:19:14 asciilifeform: lol @ your esr cartoon Oct 20 22:19:19 mircea_popescu: not in 0.1... Oct 20 22:19:31 mircea_popescu: perhaps in satoshi's head? Oct 20 22:19:55 srsly what is this, anybody can grab the ancient source Oct 20 22:19:56 so you're saying i have hallucinated this ?! Oct 20 22:20:03 * gabriel_laddel (~user@c-67-161-28-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 22:21:03 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00073897 = 8.1287 BTC [+] {2} Oct 20 22:21:12 mircea_popescu: looks like it. Oct 20 22:21:30 mircea_popescu: you remember yourself, when telling the tale of why you didn't port it to msdos Oct 20 22:21:38 mircea_popescu: no working bdb Oct 20 22:21:39 * assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel Oct 20 22:21:47 * dnaleor_ (~creveroel@ptr-212-224-214-7.dyn.mobistar.be) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 22:22:43 if not for the db crapolade, mine would be running on bare iron even now. Oct 20 22:22:51 (can't speak for other folks) Oct 20 22:22:54 transactions are definitely stored in a Db * object, which appears to be the bdb C++ interface Oct 20 22:23:05 * mircea_popescu throws hands Oct 20 22:23:10 who the fuck knows. i coulda sworn. Oct 20 22:24:54 at any rate, i would genuinely like that book. if someone wishes to make it happen. Oct 20 22:25:00 and chances are i'm not the only one. Oct 20 22:25:17 asciilifeform: me too Oct 20 22:25:21 i'd pay quadruple for an intelligently-commented 'Lions Book'-style item Oct 20 22:25:28 * dnaleor has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) Oct 20 22:25:30 printing out your own shit is annoying Oct 20 22:25:36 but not sure if anyone is qualified to produce this Oct 20 22:25:41 asciilifeform decimation i think it quite likely that once nubsy gets on you'll get your book. Oct 20 22:25:46 * mike_c has quit () Oct 20 22:25:54 happy days. Oct 20 22:25:57 yeah he's a printin' guy Oct 20 22:26:48 The 'independent reserve' guys claim to use gpg signed email for customer support Oct 20 22:28:09 asciilifeform: did you see that the new emacs has a web-browser mode builtin? Oct 20 22:28:34 decimation: did for ages ? Oct 20 22:29:52 really? I thought one had to download from the crazy lisp package repo Oct 20 22:30:12 * asciilifeform confesses to being rather uninterested in ugly-as-sin www browsing Oct 20 22:30:26 and similarly stallmanesque exercises Oct 20 22:31:12 the sooner 'browser' dies as a paradigm, the better: Oct 20 22:31:15 asciilifeform: it seems like a good idea on the surface, but in practice 90% of the web will be broken Oct 20 22:31:16 obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 Oct 20 22:31:18 Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. Oct 20 22:32:14 * assbot removes voice from IRaway Oct 20 22:32:54 asciilifeform: yeah it's true that the 'vision' of downloading and executing arbitrary code is exactly what the world needs Oct 20 22:33:08 decimation no it had a web browser for a long time Oct 20 22:33:12 decimation: everybody seems shocked at that one Oct 20 22:33:27 decimation: but 'surgeon' and 'maniac' are different items, though each cuts you open while you sleep. Oct 20 22:33:58 exactly. And everyone has been told since they were little that execution is dangerous - which is on c-machines Oct 20 22:33:59 decimation: in a same computing environment, nothing about 'downloading and executing arbitrary code' is frightening. Oct 20 22:34:14 * AndChat|679296 (~AndChat67@2607:fb90:507:4f1d:a878:662a:cbe2:559b) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 22:34:52 asciilifeform: regarding the format wars post, I've fantasized about choosing to build for the canvas tag and forgetting the rest of the browser entirely Oct 20 22:34:53 asciilifeform: did you see that IBM had to pay $1.5 bn to get rid of their chip business? Oct 20 22:35:03 lol yes Oct 20 22:35:04 just streaming commands to some canvas wrapper via a websocket Oct 20 22:35:26 decimation: thing is, this is not like you or i paying a junkman $100 to be rid of an ancient car Oct 20 22:35:30 asciilifeform: it makes one sad. "why keep banging head against wall, and digging bigger ditch? why not try something really different" Oct 20 22:35:40 decimation: it's laundry / merit-washing. we simply don't know the details. Oct 20 22:35:50 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/V7yiSIfLEis/sIhFE4M5yk4J Oct 20 22:35:51 Google Groups Oct 20 22:35:57 ^ related Oct 20 22:36:04 yeah I agree. how can a factory that can produce chips which rival intel's lithography 'lose money'? Oct 20 22:36:22 either they are really really bad at making chips, or they are really really bad at choosing what to stamp out Oct 20 22:36:43 or leverage shenanigans Oct 20 22:36:50 that only the gods know the bottom of Oct 20 22:37:06 or nsa contract lineup fell through this year Oct 20 22:37:08 or, or, or. Oct 20 22:37:08 you mean 'friendly' money from usg Oct 20 22:37:44 * RagnarsBitch has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Oct 20 22:38:00 I strongly suspect that spending more money on nsa is going to be politically untenable for the near future Oct 20 22:38:11 it will be amusing to see who 'starves' Oct 20 22:38:20 as if they needed money. Oct 20 22:40:10 the future of u.s. taxation and criminal justice is probably the model of the 'traffic camera.' Oct 20 22:40:14 see, e.g., orlov: Oct 20 22:40:18 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences wi Oct 20 22:40:18 ll be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because fun Oct 20 22:40:18 ctional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.' Oct 20 22:40:24 ^ http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/business-as-usual.html Oct 20 22:40:25 ClubOrlov: Business as usual Oct 20 22:40:31 everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types Oct 20 22:40:43 that'd be dept. of state. Oct 20 22:41:15 yeah them too Oct 20 22:41:55 wrong link above. apparently I recorded it by hand. I couldn't find the quote I had intended to post by googling, so here it is: http://pastebin.com/AnDwtySY from Emacs. Oct 20 22:41:56 I started to reply at length to the many misstatements in your message. I don - Pastebin.com Oct 20 22:42:05 * Diablo-D3 (~diablo@exelion.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 22:42:28 gabriel_laddel: yes, i linked to this on many occasions Oct 20 22:42:40 gabriel_laddel: wish i could remember where, though Oct 20 22:44:24 asciilifeform: google groups is rotting :/ Oct 20 22:44:29 for years. Oct 20 22:44:46 * othernubs` (~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 22:44:47 gabriel_laddel: yeah, emacs likes to claim 'self-documenting' but I find the quality of documentation to be pretty poor Oct 20 22:45:24 gabriel_laddel: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/XpvUwF2xKbk/Xz4Mww0ZwLIJ << original Oct 20 22:45:27 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15179 @ 0.0007405 = 11.24 BTC [+] {2} Oct 20 22:45:30 decimation: It's by far the best I've found on UNIX. I've no LispM experiences and so can only imagine. Oct 20 22:45:52 thank you Oct 20 22:45:58 gabriel_laddel: (linked from ancient post of mine - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=85 ) Oct 20 22:46:00 Loper OS » The Performance of Lisp, or Why Bean Counters Need Bigger Bags of Beans Oct 20 22:46:25 I remember when google took over the old usenet archives, thought they would make them useful rather than let them rot Oct 20 22:46:36 they did. briefly. Oct 20 22:46:53 'dejanews' was a cesspool of pestilential spamvertising, the early 'google groups' was a breath of fresh air Oct 20 22:48:10 decimation> everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types <<< only in places which are bored of living. Oct 20 22:48:47 mircea_popescu: tired of living - 'жить надоело', heh Oct 20 22:49:13 myeah. Oct 20 22:50:09 they didn't have enough sense to make a wot. Oct 20 22:50:14 no wot, no forum/ Oct 20 22:51:20 http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/what_the_byzantines_can_teach.html Oct 20 22:51:21 Articles: What the Byzantines Can Teach Us about Our National Security Oct 20 22:51:36 classic Oct 20 22:51:47 also the book is neato. Oct 20 22:51:57 * asciilifeform likes luttwak Oct 20 22:52:17 "The Byzantines had good spies, but no intelligence bureaucracy at all. Officials involved in the management of espionage performed these functions along with other duties. They never had a bureaucratic hierarchy of intelligence and never thought to create one. " Oct 20 22:53:38 yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints Oct 20 22:55:54 asciilifeform: you might enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMcoOiOxLf8 Oct 20 22:55:55 Conversations with History - Edward N. Luttwak - YouTube Oct 20 22:57:36 * jacoblyles has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 20 22:59:14 yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints << lol good one. Oct 20 22:59:19 here's the thing tho : they do. Oct 20 22:59:30 just, not a bureaucracy. they need management tho. Oct 20 23:00:42 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00073768 = 1.3824 BTC [-] Oct 20 23:01:18 well, it's certainly the case that someone needs to have the 'big picture' in mind and issue instructions, I would think Oct 20 23:02:17 generally there are no 'hobbyist spies' - they're called 'armchair generals' or something alike. Oct 20 23:03:31 asciilifeform: I suspect 'armchair general' describes 90% of usg Oct 20 23:03:47 nah, i'll tell you what describes 90% of usg. Oct 20 23:04:12 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Bill_de_Blasio_and_family.jpg << this. Oct 20 23:04:33 you see this picture ? look well at it, for it's what it looks like. sad, tired, incredibly lonely middle age white guy Oct 20 23:04:37 in a hell of his making. Oct 20 23:05:22 pandering the masses must drain the soul Oct 20 23:05:44 clearly in the last place he'd ever be : his own life. Oct 20 23:06:28 'This time of year, this part of Massachusetts is overrun by stampedes of shiny late-model SUVs with New York and New Jersey license plates. They are driven by various subspecies of the middle-aged well-to-do American Office Ogre—the lawyer, the doctor, the dentist, the banker, the lobbyist and the corporate businessman—the people who are attempting to run off with all the loot. The majestic scenery is somew Oct 20 23:06:28 hat spoiled by these surly, scowling, raspy-voiced ogres and their flabby, overmedicated wives with voices like an unoiled hinge. When not aimlessly driving around, they sit in upscale restaurants, toying with their food and gossiping menacingly. They have long forgotten what it means to be happy and carefree, and their labored attempts at feigning enjoyment are painful to watch. You can be sure that the sight o Oct 20 23:06:28 f poor but happy people makes them quite livid.' Oct 20 23:06:33 ^ http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html Oct 20 23:06:34 ClubOrlov: August 2010 Oct 20 23:07:07 * dnaleor_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) Oct 20 23:07:55 * Duffer1 has quit (Quit: Duffer1) Oct 20 23:10:07 * OneFixt_ (~OneFixt@unaffiliated/onefixt) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 23:10:20 * joecool_ (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 23:10:20 * joecool_ is now known as joecool Oct 20 23:11:16 asciilifeform: this is probably one reason why usg policy is generally to crush the poor and happy Oct 20 23:12:46 * Yna has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Oct 20 23:13:01 "Many people spent a big chunk of their lives investing in this dream and it didn't pan out quite as we wish." Oct 20 23:13:05 no shortage of sad. Oct 20 23:13:37 * OneFixt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 20 23:16:18 * gibson (51111962@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.17.25.98) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 23:16:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX3rgYRY_zM Oct 20 23:16:40 We Called It America - NOFX - YouTube Oct 20 23:16:42 * hanbot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) Oct 20 23:18:01 !up gibson Oct 20 23:18:01 * assbot gives voice to gibson Oct 20 23:18:46 * mechtronic2001 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 20 23:19:18 where to move, if we're ash heap bound Oct 20 23:19:54 * gibson has quit (Client Quit) Oct 20 23:19:56 alpha centauri. Oct 20 23:19:58 if you can afford it. Oct 20 23:20:04 argentina works. Oct 20 23:20:12 just the same as alpha centauri to me. Oct 20 23:20:21 no, the chicks are way better. Oct 20 23:20:36 lol Oct 20 23:20:56 * bitstein (~bitstein@cpe-72-182-53-175.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 23:21:06 * RagnarsBitch (~AndChat67@75-23-231-33.lightspeed.lgngca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 23:21:44 !up bitstein Oct 20 23:21:45 * assbot gives voice to bitstein Oct 20 23:21:51 !up RagnarsBitch Oct 20 23:21:52 * assbot gives voice to RagnarsBitch Oct 20 23:22:22 http://squid314.livejournal.com/340809.html << "All of the white people who joined Indian tribes loved it and refused to go back to white civilization. All the Indians who joined white civilization hated it and did everything they could to go back to their previous tribal lives." Oct 20 23:22:25 Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz - Book Review: Empire of the Summer Moon Oct 20 23:23:34 mircea_popescu: what makes you like Argentina? Things like wealth taxes don't convey a sense of respect for private property, though I can see how that'd be irrelevant to BTC wealth Oct 20 23:23:57 * AndChat|679296 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) Oct 20 23:26:22 * Naphex has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Oct 20 23:28:59 decimation: i distinctly remember reading this earlier. Oct 20 23:29:04 * hanbot (~hanbot@190.172.6.111) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 20 23:29:05 linked, almost certainly, from here. Oct 20 23:29:20 (or was it mircea_popescu ?) Oct 20 23:30:17 undata da fuck do i care about their taxes. Oct 20 23:31:02 but i like everything. i suppose i should spell it out huh. Oct 20 23:31:23 mircea_popescu: if you want; it wont be actionable for me for years Oct 20 23:32:47 ;;later tell nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885779 Oct 20 23:32:47 The operation succeeded. Oct 20 23:32:49 Logged on 21-10-2014 02:15:37; asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC Oct 20 23:34:14 what kind of binding? Oct 20 23:34:25 ^ this is not merely a printer's job; i can abide neither haphazardly broken lines nor miniscule print. Oct 20 23:34:38 http://qntra.net/2014/10/moopay-scam-leads-to-possible-bitstamp-blacklists/ Oct 20 23:34:40 MooPay Scam Leads to Possible Bitstamp Blacklists | Qntra.net Oct 20 23:36:19 what kind of binding << lay-flat only. Oct 20 23:36:31 absolutely no perforator or 3-ring. Oct 20 23:36:36 could do those myself. Oct 20 23:36:37 asciilifeform: as in soft leather cover? Oct 20 23:36:44 paper ok Oct 20 23:36:48 think 'o'reilly' books Oct 20 23:37:49 no leather bound LOTR style? Oct 20 23:37:55 why not wizard spellbook style Oct 20 23:38:03 if someone wants to do this for no more than 1 btc, sure. Oct 20 23:38:17 i specified - minimum. Oct 20 23:38:19 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28376 @ 0.00074074 = 21.0192 BTC [+] {2} Oct 20 23:38:26 1 btc may go a long way in the future ;) Oct 20 23:38:37 eh. Oct 20 23:43:27 * Diablo-D3 has quit (Quit: do coders dream of sheep()?) Oct 20 23:44:25 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00073768 = 12.098 BTC [-] Oct 20 23:46:06 * gabriel_laddel has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 20 23:50:59 ;;calc 206000/390 Oct 20 23:50:59 528.205128205 Oct 20 23:51:39 ;;calc 206000 / 315 Oct 20 23:51:40 653.968253968 Oct 20 23:51:40 undata http://trilema.com/2014/mp-what-do-you-like-about-argentina/ there you go. Oct 20 23:51:40 MP, what do you like about Argentina ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. Oct 20 23:52:33 * assbot removes voice from bitstein Oct 20 23:52:33 * assbot removes voice from RagnarsBitch Oct 20 23:56:35 !up bitstein Oct 20 23:56:36 * assbot gives voice to bitstein Oct 20 23:56:39 !up RagnarsBitch Oct 20 23:56:39 * assbot gives voice to RagnarsBitch Oct 21 00:00:12 mircea_popescu: thanks for the write-up Oct 21 00:03:03 PinkPosixPXE: nice article on qntra :D Oct 21 00:07:27 * kncminer_is_a_sc (62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.197.24.107) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 00:07:37 * TheNewDeal has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) Oct 21 00:07:38 !up kncminer_is_a_sc Oct 21 00:07:39 * assbot gives voice to kncminer_is_a_sc Oct 21 00:07:46 Hello kncminer_is_a_sc Oct 21 00:08:04 KNCMINER IS A SCAM! 5 month late house burning hardware is Useless now, useless. Refund me you gotterdammerung scammers! Oct 21 00:08:18 kncminer_is_a_sc no shit lmao Oct 21 00:08:24 Damn you KNC!!!! DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HEELLLLLL!!!! Oct 21 00:08:28 * kncminer_is_a_sc has quit (Client Quit) Oct 21 00:09:07 "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right? Oct 21 00:09:22 kind of ? Oct 21 00:09:31 i'm trying to think of sensible use cases Oct 21 00:09:46 but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses" Oct 21 00:09:49 http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/ << Oct 21 00:09:50 Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. Oct 21 00:11:22 ya there we go Oct 21 00:11:59 yeah nice piece pixie. Oct 21 00:12:10 undata yer welcome. Oct 21 00:14:55 "He then tried to pay with PayPal, and we unsuspended the machines. About 6 hours later the payments were disputed with PayPal as unauthorized and we then suspended again." << wow, carding too ?! Oct 21 00:15:34 perfect pretext for bitstamp to steal even more coins. Oct 21 00:15:55 just in case it's not obvious already, keeping any balances on bitstamp or sending any bitcoin to bitstamp is beyond retarded. Oct 21 00:17:40 try to not do that so you don't ned up like the 62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.197.24.107 retard. Oct 21 00:17:46 and speaking of knc, check out what i found : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg1776663#msg1776663 Oct 21 00:17:47 Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com Oct 21 00:19:05 https://twitter.com/AmerBanker/status/524293068309008384 Oct 21 00:19:08 Manifesto Vows to Give Consumers Control of Digital Identities Oct 21 00:19:17 nice pic Oct 21 00:19:26 i dun get it. Oct 21 00:19:33 how do consumers not have such control ? or ? Oct 21 00:19:48 it's a woman lookin like she shit her pants, from Ripple, saying, Oct 21 00:20:01 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62695 @ 0.00074101 = 46.4576 BTC [+] {2} Oct 21 00:20:08 "Innovation isnt inherently incompatible with regulation" Oct 21 00:20:36 course it isn't. Oct 21 00:20:44 the usg however, IS inherently incompatible with regulation. Oct 21 00:20:56 because we're making the rules, not the fucking other way around, what is this. Oct 21 00:21:02 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3305 @ 0.00074123 = 2.4498 BTC [+] Oct 21 00:21:29 do we each get to make a rule? Oct 21 00:21:44 sure. and enforce it, too. Oct 21 00:21:51 scam Oct 21 00:21:53 * kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 21 00:22:20 * kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 00:22:23 better scam than sorry. Oct 21 00:23:09 * Naphex (~naphex@btcxchange.ro) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 00:23:11 ripple's problem is more like "we enabled some scammers stealing a buncha coins" tho. Oct 21 00:23:38 one can see why they would need to convince usg why they are very good little slaves Oct 21 00:23:43 right ? Oct 21 00:23:51 already convicted otherwise. better be useful. Oct 21 00:24:07 since usg is a dim and neglectful master, they get away with it Oct 21 00:24:18 it's funny that the us lost the "innovation" war back in 2013, and then lost the finance war. no smart kids, no rich kids, Oct 21 00:24:23 its only hope now rests with the felons. Oct 21 00:24:42 who knows, perhaps it has enough criminals that they become a significant minority in the new world, giving it some claim. Oct 21 00:24:43 sad. Oct 21 00:25:13 the us has plenty of high iq people, it's just that in general their efforts are misdirected into idiocy Oct 21 00:25:21 so what's that do for me ? Oct 21 00:25:26 ripple is basically grasping for, Bitcoin for Banks, All the tech, none of the darkwebmunny Oct 21 00:25:50 ThickAsThieves yeah, it and all the 500 other derps. Oct 21 00:26:07 decimation: or they get so depressed they barely function Oct 21 00:26:16 "we have yet another version of bitcoin without bitcoin, choose us, because this works!!11" Oct 21 00:26:44 Bonus Undocumented Feature: Print Bitcoins! Oct 21 00:27:07 * assbot removes voice from bitstein Oct 21 00:27:07 * assbot removes voice from RagnarsBitch Oct 21 00:27:20 this is a peculiar habit in the us: trying to find a 'technical' solution for a very human problem Oct 21 00:27:38 like dildos ? Oct 21 00:27:50 heh Oct 21 00:28:10 but it props the economy! :D Oct 21 00:28:35 undata is that experience speaking ? Oct 21 00:28:39 conserve energy! Oct 21 00:30:21 mircea_popescu: I've seen it happen to friends brighter than I am. Oct 21 00:31:03 as for me, I keep myself moving hoping to strike at the thing myself someday Oct 21 00:31:13 but I've yet to make a pile, so that comes first Oct 21 00:31:18 ic Oct 21 00:32:02 * aspho (~aspho@94.204.106.77) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 00:32:09 * Diablo-D3 (~diablo@exelion.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 00:35:53 not one in ten thousand shall leave the mines. Oct 21 00:35:56 that's sorta how it works. Oct 21 00:36:13 asciilifeform i dunno, but i dun believe so. Oct 21 00:36:31 pretty much everyone leaves the mines. part of why "big government" is so lulzy. Oct 21 00:36:48 'leave the mines' - live as idle gentleman scholar. Oct 21 00:36:49 i mean... how many east germans joined west germany ? ... all of em ? Oct 21 00:36:50 a la taleb Oct 21 00:36:57 a Oct 21 00:37:18 we were talkin of different things Oct 21 00:37:50 * asciilifeform sees arbeit macht frei as arbeit macht frei under whatever flag, equally odious Oct 21 00:40:53 * Diablo-D3 has quit (Quit: do coders dream of sheep()?) Oct 21 00:41:33 mircea_popescu: he did say 'I've yet to make a pile' - suggestive of the usual lament of folks who despair of ever buying their freedom Oct 21 00:42:01 (esp. while young enough to make something constructive of it) Oct 21 00:42:06 * Diablo-D3 (~diablo@exelion.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 00:43:34 eh, I'll get there Oct 21 00:45:57 * mius has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 21 00:46:19 * mius (~mius@gateway/tor-sasl/mius) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 00:46:39 Thanks thestringpuller and mircea_popescu :) Oct 21 01:04:36 %p Oct 21 01:04:39 >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 857.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.56 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s Oct 21 01:06:10 * aspho has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 21 01:06:47 * aspho (~aspho@176.222.238.158) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 01:10:07 * AdamIRAway (~Avatar@wf-171-99-151-3.revip9.asianet.co.th) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 01:10:17 * paxtoncamaro91 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 21 01:11:32 * IRaway has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Oct 21 01:11:46 * chetty has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) Oct 21 01:12:15 * mius has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Oct 21 01:16:56 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00073959 = 4.1417 BTC [-] Oct 21 01:17:31 regarding recent history of bitcoin: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html Oct 21 01:17:34 A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 Oct 21 01:18:04 good night! Oct 21 01:19:10 qntra down Oct 21 01:19:18 * smidge (smidge@HSI-KBW-078-043-193-229.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 01:19:30 The takeaway: next to nothing has been done to bring the Bitcoin project forwards since 0.5.3 (the duplicate TXID rules). << pretty much Oct 21 01:20:11 ;;isup qntra.net Oct 21 01:20:13 qntra.net is down Oct 21 01:20:16 wtf is this. Oct 21 01:22:32 ~_~ Oct 21 01:22:41 it had good uptime too Oct 21 01:23:27 * chetty (~chet@unaffiliated/chetty) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 01:24:03 !s is down Oct 21 01:24:03 898 results for 'is down' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=is+down Oct 21 01:24:17 cazalla kernel panic, brb. Oct 21 01:32:56 * CheckDavid (uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kehaimpesyazzqza) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 01:33:22 ;;isup qntra.net Oct 21 01:33:23 qntra.net is up Oct 21 01:33:26 there we go. Oct 21 01:34:09 and here i thought ddosser was back Oct 21 01:35:02 cazalla nah, was an update that wedged. Oct 21 01:35:07 should be fine. Oct 21 01:35:38 * gabriel_laddel (~user@c-67-161-28-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 01:36:10 ben_vulpes anyway, good article. Oct 21 01:36:30 finally someone did the work so now when i say .8 and ulterior stuff is pure braindamage i have what to link to. Oct 21 01:37:57 * Namworld has quit () Oct 21 01:38:10 Nao ben_vulpes can't take his blog down anymoar Oct 21 01:39:06 srsly. Oct 21 01:39:57 * assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel Oct 21 01:44:44 * kleinessteak (~kleinesst@dslb-084-059-167-122.084.059.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 01:46:05 * mius (~mius@gateway/tor-sasl/mius) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 01:52:13 * bitstein has quit (Quit: bitstein) Oct 21 02:08:27 * kleinessteak has quit () Oct 21 02:11:49 * smidge has quit (Quit: sorry, but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...) Oct 21 02:12:16 * xdotcommer has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 21 02:12:55 * xdotcommer (~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905859.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 02:17:56 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00073959 = 9.1709 BTC [-] Oct 21 02:22:43 * agorecki has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 21 02:22:58 * agorecki (~agorecki@S0106b8a38657b866.ok.shawcable.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 02:23:54 * hanbot has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 21 02:26:05 From Gavin's own notes: "…accomodate higher transaction volume, and to measure what percentage of hashing power simply goes along with defaults." >> ben_vulpes if you recall the horror in his eyes back then... Oct 21 02:26:25 needless to say, the "measurements" didn't come out like the pencildicks'd have liked them Oct 21 02:29:08 * skylytez_ (180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.15.106.240) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 02:29:51 !up skylytez_ Oct 21 02:29:51 * assbot gives voice to skylytez_ Oct 21 02:30:08 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00073909 = 9.3125 BTC [-] Oct 21 02:30:12 thank you. i would like to be in the wot Oct 21 02:30:45 * DreadKnight has quit (Quit: #AncientBeast - Master Your Beasts ( www.AncientBeast.com )) Oct 21 02:31:19 ;;google bitcoin-otc web of trust gpg guide Oct 21 02:31:20 #bitcoin-otc web of trust: ; #bitcoin-otc: ; Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: Oct 21 02:31:46 ^ Oct 21 02:32:37 correct but to get a rating from one of the 29 people requires asking, if my reading of MP's blog over the past year is correct Oct 21 02:33:44 asking doesn't work, if today's logs are any testament. Oct 21 02:33:47 instead, do something. Oct 21 02:34:07 there's stuff that needs doing coming up here on a regular basis, jump on something within your skillset when it happens. Oct 21 02:34:13 speaking of which, what is your skillset ? Oct 21 02:34:48 getting honey from bees Oct 21 02:35:06 * assbot gives voice to joecool Oct 21 02:35:35 ;;ident skylytez_ Oct 21 02:35:35 Nick 'skylytez_', with hostmask 'skylytez_!180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.15.106.240', is not identified. Oct 21 02:35:39 * BananaLotus has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Oct 21 02:35:48 are you the chick that was previously here, Oct 21 02:36:00 yes Oct 21 02:36:09 yay more chicks Oct 21 02:36:14 hrm Oct 21 02:36:18 maryjane ? Oct 21 02:36:20 ;;rated mircea_popescu Oct 21 02:36:21 You rated user mircea_popescu on Tue Mar 11 16:14:24 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems legit. Oct 21 02:36:26 * BananaLotus (~BananaLot@gateway/tor-sasl/bananalotus) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 02:36:28 no Oct 21 02:36:38 wow, two beekeepers ? Oct 21 02:36:47 oh i keep bees too Oct 21 02:36:49 anwyay, make a wot id, that's the first step. Oct 21 02:37:15 who knew, this was more like #beez than anything Oct 21 02:37:16 stealth games are hard as fuck Oct 21 02:37:19 you actually have to think Oct 21 02:38:00 okay. More homework. Thank you (joecool bees are cool!) I will do things as my skillset improves. Oct 21 02:38:02 * skylytez_ (180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.15.106.240) has left #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 02:38:19 ^ an interesting one Oct 21 02:38:39 this is a very shitty cult, it occurs to me. too much variety Oct 21 02:38:54 we're in a cult? Oct 21 02:39:15 i don't remember drinking any koolaid or punch Oct 21 02:39:30 i read it somewhere. Oct 21 02:40:50 topple empire when? Oct 21 02:40:59 mircea_popescu this is a very shitty cult, it occurs to me. too much variety< thestringpuller we're in a cult?<< of course it is.. in the purest sense of the word Oct 21 02:42:00 undata who knows these things... Oct 21 02:42:16 empires generally self-topple tho Oct 21 02:42:26 works sorta like seducing girls. Oct 21 02:43:34 ;;ud bofl Oct 21 02:43:34 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bofl | BOFL. Bubbling on the Floor Laughing. A less exaggerated version of ROFL - Rolling on the floor laughing. It's more of a chuckle version to that. Last night was a ... Oct 21 02:44:28 huh - I thought it was barfing Oct 21 02:49:09 * tris has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) Oct 21 02:50:07 * tris (tristan@2001:1868:a00a::4) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 02:50:23 * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 21 02:51:10 * jacoblyles (~jacoblyle@c-24-23-137-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 02:56:41 a qntra reporter should ask some damning questions at the reddit ama Oct 21 02:59:03 * ericmuys_ (~ericmuyse@S010628c68e00af53.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 03:02:13 * [KS] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 21 03:03:24 * ericmuys_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Oct 21 03:04:42 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13302 @ 0.00073959 = 9.838 BTC [+] Oct 21 03:09:31 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jsrfo/btcjam_hacked/ Oct 21 03:09:32 BTCJam hacked! : Bitcoin Oct 21 03:10:16 Hi there, Oct 21 03:10:16 This is Gustavo Guida from BTCJam. Oct 21 03:10:16 I want to officially tell you that was no hack whatsoever. We already identified a user that entered a PHP script as a comment. Our website doesn't even run on PHP. The only thing happened was that the PHP script broke the Javascript of the page. Oct 21 03:10:21 We already banned the user and we're conducting further investigations to make sure everything is fine. Oct 21 03:10:24 We're also taking the necessary measures to avoid this ti happen again. Oct 21 03:10:27 Best Oct 21 03:20:59 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00073959 = 2.4776 BTC [+] Oct 21 03:35:10 * karma2 is now known as karma Oct 21 03:37:14 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00073812 = 24.5056 BTC [-] {3} Oct 21 03:44:12 * [KS] (KS]@2a01:d0:8114::1) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 03:51:28 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00073719 = 2.875 BTC [-] Oct 21 03:53:01 * disident (~disident@unaffiliated/disident) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 03:57:49 * RagnarDanneskjol has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 21 03:59:27 * RagnarDanneskjol (~ragnardan@75-23-231-33.lightspeed.lgngca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 03:59:33 * assbot gives voice to RagnarDanneskjol Oct 21 04:06:43 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00073719 = 18.0612 BTC [-] Oct 21 04:13:49 * dnaleor_ (~creveroel@ptr-212-224-214-7.dyn.mobistar.be) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 04:15:23 * poulos (2edae5bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.218.229.188) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 04:25:01 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13676 @ 0.00073715 = 10.0813 BTC [-] {2} Oct 21 04:26:02 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1674 @ 0.0007371 = 1.2339 BTC [-] Oct 21 04:27:43 * dnaleor_ is now known as dnaleor Oct 21 04:28:42 <[]bot> Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.30808458 BTC. Current weight: 52,464. 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Oct 21 06:30:26 vacationing too? Oct 21 06:30:28 ha Oct 21 06:30:41 * drawingthesun (~drawingth@106-68-157-235.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 06:31:02 * drawingthesun has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 21 06:31:43 ah no Oct 21 06:38:02 * drawingthesun (~drawingth@106-68-157-235.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 06:45:30 * HeySteve (~DinoSaw@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 06:50:55 "The only thing happened was that the PHP script broke the Javascript of the page." lol Oct 21 06:53:24 hm? 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Oct 21 07:48:15 * mircea_popescu (~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 07:48:40 * assbot gives voice to xinxi Oct 21 07:48:51 * assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu Oct 21 07:49:27 soo, i would like to share an idea with the group, then people who have worked with this type of thing liek jurov or whoever else can tell me what they think. Oct 21 07:49:48 hello mircea and welcome to the group Oct 21 07:49:52 everyone say hello Oct 21 07:51:19 * aspho (~aspho@79.141.167.44) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 07:51:19 basically, i'd like an installable package that creates a vm and runs code for a third party. everyone running it should be able to set a cost per metric (cpu cycles, ram usage, bandwidth, whatever) and a value per metric (idem), then the package talks to all the other packages installed so that every operation is run on that system with the lowest price. Oct 21 07:51:49 obviously not everything is atomizable enough for this. nevertheless, basically it'd be a better tor + better torrent app + everything else. Oct 21 07:51:50 * assbot gives voice to chetty Oct 21 07:52:45 extra points if a) it's provably impossible to crash/hijack a kernel running it from outside and b) it's provably impossible to establish to whom any operation belongs in the group. Oct 21 07:52:50 uh I think the ancient ibm machines did this Oct 21 07:52:56 chetty yes, they did. Oct 21 07:53:14 but now that we have bitcoin, and the internet, it's actually feasible at a much better scale. Oct 21 07:53:22 or so my business mind seems to think Oct 21 07:53:24 * Namworld (~Namworld@modemcable038.215-176-173.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 07:54:18 well these days power consumption seems more relevant than the other stuffs, except maybe % of pay to sysadmins Oct 21 07:56:47 kakobrekla: now listen, get lost once again imma beat you. <<< waitwut ?! Oct 21 07:57:51 who can tell me whether it is cold in Orlando? Oct 21 07:58:02 ;;google temperature orlando florida Oct 21 07:58:03 10 Day Weather Forecast for Orlando - weather.com: ; Monthly Weather Averages and Records for Orlando, FL: ; Orlando Weather - AccuWeather Forecast for FL 32801: seems a nice place. Oct 21 08:01:32 meh, kinda wet. Oct 21 08:02:43 it should be better than singapore. Oct 21 08:02:43 what did ibm do? also what is the scope of this "vm" thing, a complete OS image, or more an execution environment like jvm? Oct 21 08:03:09 I can hardly breathe when i first came to sg. Oct 21 08:03:25 bounce as long as something useful works i'm happy. can be extended later. Oct 21 08:03:52 honestly i'm happy for an alpha if all it does is remote page fetching, a la browsershots.org Oct 21 08:04:27 fbsd has per-user cpu accounting, dunno if linux has that. can build on top of that I suppose. Oct 21 08:04:29 xinxi nobody is born in singapore huh. Oct 21 08:04:42 bounce im pretty sure it does have something similar. Oct 21 08:05:02 anyway, ideally this would be for a popular distro. ubuntu, gentoo, something. Oct 21 08:05:23 the talking between is going to be a bit of a bitch; rpc has been tried in many kinds and it never works quite right Oct 21 08:05:35 mircea_popescu i was talking to assbot Oct 21 08:06:00 bounce maybe the rpc model is no good then. Oct 21 08:06:21 maybe make it a queue rather than a rpc thing. Oct 21 08:06:34 though qnx and possibly plan9 have kinda nice ipc, fit for clustering. so did vms, IIRC Oct 21 08:06:50 (as in, the distributed network keeps a distributed queue of what's to do, picks from there) Oct 21 08:06:57 there's a number of message passing queue packages around, but you'd have to settle on one Oct 21 08:07:17 myeah. Oct 21 08:07:19 there's also a number of clustering and misc management packages, cloud whatnots Oct 21 08:07:25 right. Oct 21 08:07:48 this would be a pretty sweet spot for ACTUAL innovation, as opposed to the usual "hi guise i made a new webwallet/scamcoin/exchange" blabla. Oct 21 08:07:49 so you could perchance, dunno, take popular opencloud and throw docker at it and have most of what you want Oct 21 08:07:58 make an actual bitcoin-dedicated, user portable cloud system Oct 21 08:08:36 oh, add amoeba to the list of OSes Oct 21 08:09:15 probably need to look at how much work/research/building you're prepared to spend and how much COTS-cruft you're willing to endure Oct 21 08:09:36 so what you are saying is a blockchain work queue? Oct 21 08:09:38 maybe you can try openstack, I use it for my lab. Oct 21 08:10:10 yes this^ Oct 21 08:10:15 chetty essentially. it'd practically work as "mine with your computer, for arbitrary workloads and paid 100% out of tx fees" as it were Oct 21 08:10:56 hmm like the seti project Oct 21 08:11:02 can even go with the el cheapo route; spin up cloud instances across cloud providers based on spot pricing, though you'd need to bridge to fiat for that Oct 21 08:11:05 or that protein folding thing, yes. Oct 21 08:11:16 bounce i dun want that. fuck them. Oct 21 08:11:27 oh, look at various "grid" things, moreso than "cloud" Oct 21 08:11:30 the idea is to let people do this at home, say while they sleep. Oct 21 08:12:15 http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ but forked and bitcoin added? Oct 21 08:12:16 BOINC Oct 21 08:12:47 maybe. Oct 21 08:12:59 * dignork (~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:13:11 * BananaLotus (~BananaLot@gateway/tor-sasl/bananalotus) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:13:30 * undata (~undata@gateway/tor-sasl/undata) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:14:27 * guruvan (~guruvan@gateway/tor-sasl/guruvan) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:14:34 or not even forked, maybe just a bitcoin-enabled job manager on top, dunno how that works Oct 21 08:15:19 https://bitcointa.lk/threads/feedback-request-bitcoin-cloud-services.167901/ Oct 21 08:15:19 [FEEDBACK REQUEST] Bitcoin cloud services | Bitcointa.lk Oct 21 08:15:43 a) it's provably impossible to crash/hijack a kernel running it from outside < is that even possible to prove Oct 21 08:15:55 if it would be, we wouldnt have such holes. Oct 21 08:16:04 ;;later tel Vexual ai is more general. an expert system is one way for implementing ai and only used for very limited domains. Oct 21 08:16:05 Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. Oct 21 08:16:08 * Adlai (~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:16:10 bounce yes, i agree the tech is just about there. all this project needs is a serious head dev. Oct 21 08:16:15 * cardigm (~Cardigm@gateway/tor-sasl/cardigm) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:16:24 kakobrekla bonus points are bonus points. Oct 21 08:16:48 ;;later tell Vexual ai is more general. an expert system is one way for implementing ai and only used for very limited domains. Oct 21 08:16:48 The operation succeeded. Oct 21 08:17:11 mp - i can find him in 48 hours. what's the comp range? Oct 21 08:17:37 * bounce thinks there's room for a revamp of OS design, but that's long-term and sky-is-the-limit thinking Oct 21 08:17:37 i was hoping there was more to the answer :) Oct 21 08:18:43 there a specific goal to this, like mining bitcoin, or more general? Oct 21 08:18:56 * assbot gives voice to punkman Oct 21 08:19:12 RagnarDanneskjol about the same torvalds got in 1991. Oct 21 08:19:17 i can name his ftp directory for him. Oct 21 08:19:31 ha k Oct 21 08:20:00 bounce the goal is to obtain an uninterruptible computing platform. Oct 21 08:20:12 general computing then Oct 21 08:20:15 as in, confront the government with a manicheian choice : either stop ALL the internet, or none of it. Oct 21 08:20:37 just like bitcoin has removed fine grained control, and tey're stuck to decide whether they stop it all or they stop none of it. Oct 21 08:20:45 things like openmosix can do that at the process level, within the cluster Oct 21 08:20:46 child porn, money laundering and so on. Oct 21 08:20:54 at first i only hated people. now that i recognize that computers have been lying to me my whole life im starting to dislike them too. Oct 21 08:21:01 bounce so then all that's needed is a bitcoin merge into that ? Oct 21 08:21:25 kakobrekla soon the imaginary friends will start fucking the imaginary girlfriends and there's going to be nothing left! Oct 21 08:21:34 * Vexual (~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:21:37 kakobrekla: what happens to assbot anyway, does it crash? Oct 21 08:21:44 various users would be sharing the same cluster, so containerisation would be a bit poor Oct 21 08:21:56 AIUI anyway, haven't worked with any of those packages Oct 21 08:22:09 ;;ud aiui Oct 21 08:22:10 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=AIUI | Apple touch icon Download the Free App! 1. AIUI. As I Understand It (slang, Usenet, IRC). AIUI, the n00b did not RTFM! by Ivo van der Elzen June 10, 2005. 18 2. Oct 21 08:22:43 punkman something tripped do ddos mitigation : null routing ip Oct 21 08:22:45 * assbot gives voice to Vexual Oct 21 08:22:59 you fall in a box for 3hrs Oct 21 08:23:18 thanks xinxi i know the difference Oct 21 08:23:36 Vexual - you are welcome Oct 21 08:23:38 this happened yesterday and today Oct 21 08:23:51 for large-scale thingification that user separation is going to be important. and then there's the requirements of disk space and such. eg if you stick that all in a convenient image file you need to ship the entire thing around if you're trying to migrate to a different box Oct 21 08:23:52 and im pissed. Oct 21 08:24:40 orrr you need a separate storage service, but then you need reliable and fast networking, as commonly found in datacentres optimised for this sort of thing, but much less so on the general 'net Oct 21 08:24:58 bounce maybe better to define some allowed operations. create a language for this. Oct 21 08:25:01 i am more interested in the economic side of the “unstoppable computing platform”. who is going to support that? should the users pay to use like electricity? Oct 21 08:25:11 xinxi obviously you'd pay to use it. Oct 21 08:25:15 a judicairy? Oct 21 08:25:22 mircea_popescu yeah, nothing left but to wait for the scythe. Oct 21 08:25:28 so, there's lots of approaches, but also a multitude of problems and only specific solutions Oct 21 08:25:56 technically, that’s possible. Oct 21 08:26:15 "possible" does not preclude "a right pain to make work" :-) Oct 21 08:26:20 you always pay Oct 21 08:26:24 all people work in a giant clustet. interesting idea. Oct 21 08:26:54 bounce it would definitely be a right pain to make work, however, Oct 21 08:26:57 it's the correct sort of pain Oct 21 08:27:03 as opposed to the other, incorrect sort of pain. Oct 21 08:27:14 again AIUI the thing with boinc-usable workloads is that they chop up the data in small bits and parcel them out as work units; not all problems are amendable to this model Oct 21 08:27:28 what are the benefits? Oct 21 08:27:31 * assbot gives voice to davout Oct 21 08:27:36 ohai Oct 21 08:27:41 i imagine most people would want to get/post webpages as a workload model, and then do math as a close 2nd. Oct 21 08:27:46 * mius (~mius@gateway/tor-sasl/mius) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:27:47 hai davout ! Oct 21 08:28:06 it’s unstoppable and always available? Oct 21 08:28:17 file distribution may be a distant 3rd or a total blowout of the other two, depending on things and logics. Oct 21 08:28:18 mircea_popescu: "bounce maybe better to define some allowed operations. create a language for this." <<< with all operations being hard to perform but easy to check you'll probably end up with something quite limited Oct 21 08:28:37 davout sex is also quite limited, and quite enjoyable. Oct 21 08:28:38 we pretty much have that; the serving side requires a little more thought, though. can peruse, say, the heroku system architecture Oct 21 08:28:45 xinxi well yeah, it'd be always available i guess. Oct 21 08:29:23 you'll end up creating a massive distributed computer that's really really good at bruteforcing hash functions :-) Oct 21 08:29:39 doubt it'll work out that way Oct 21 08:29:52 the reason is purely economical : if that worked bitcoin mining'd have made it a thing Oct 21 08:30:52 bitcoin mining does exactly that, but in its own specific way Oct 21 08:31:12 that's what i was saying Oct 21 08:31:40 well, the abstraction and access levels are different in this idea Oct 21 08:31:46 i'm wondering how you'll manage the billing part when the requesting party wants to check what he's paying for Oct 21 08:31:53 the interface isn't the blockchain, but more generally usable. presumably. Oct 21 08:32:11 i'm paying you to compute 2+2 Oct 21 08:32:22 you tell me it's 4 and that I owe you 1 BTC Oct 21 08:32:25 davout a wot i think Oct 21 08:32:32 ok, so it's trust based Oct 21 08:32:35 machines will need keys and reputation will have to be checked Oct 21 08:32:37 you'd end up having to pay multiple people to do the thing so you can cross-check Oct 21 08:32:47 ok, so it's trust based << well yeah i see no other way. Oct 21 08:32:48 bounce: that would work too Oct 21 08:32:55 maybe we can build a giant bayesian network on that to automatically discover a way for the ultimate AI and bootstrap the technology singularity. Oct 21 08:33:06 you'd end up having to pay multiple people to do the thing so you can cross-check << not necessarily a drawback, this. plus it gives a tor-y sort of immunity. Oct 21 08:33:21 so let's have both. redundancy and reputation. Oct 21 08:33:23 this is how google's recaptchas work actually. in essence they're unpaid checks on their OCR input Oct 21 08:33:29 yup Oct 21 08:33:43 which is why that 4chan attack was so lulzy. Oct 21 08:34:16 if it's wot-based, it's kind of tying the scalability of that system with the scalability of the wot Oct 21 08:34:30 the wot is more scalable than cunt. Oct 21 08:34:40 have you ever used twister? Oct 21 08:34:52 the boared game? Oct 21 08:35:06 p2p twitter Oct 21 08:35:48 nope. Oct 21 08:38:42 i have top 500 companies’ ids on twister. Oct 21 08:38:44 * xinxi (~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg) has left #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:39:06 good point Oct 21 08:39:08 you tell me it's 4 and that I owe you 1 BTC <<< nah the way this'd work is that you'd advertise you're paying up to 10 satoshi for a math operation ; i accept you send the thing i send the result you pay. Oct 21 08:39:12 * xinxi (~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:40:16 * assbot gives voice to xinxi Oct 21 08:40:18 or alternatively im paying 62 satoshi for a http request, you accept i send the url you send the page etc. Oct 21 08:41:08 i only halfway paid attention to the maidsafe thing. this sounds like that; i'm sure i missed something Oct 21 08:42:05 RagnarDanneskjol i didn't pay any attention, nor will i, because well, they're not in wot. Oct 21 08:42:09 might as well not exist. Oct 21 08:42:10 if twister works, it’s possible to copy that scheme and change all existing services to purely decentralized versions as well. Oct 21 08:42:18 good point! Oct 21 08:42:24 xinxi maybe, but see above. Oct 21 08:42:50 RagnarDanneskjol seems a distributed storage scheme. Oct 21 08:43:04 yea - running on lamecoin Oct 21 08:43:05 xinxi: the beauty of that is now, much like namecoin nobody will ever use twister Oct 21 08:43:40 yeah lamecoins are a kiss of death for a project. Oct 21 08:43:51 yeah, usability may be an issue. but the technology is quite interesting. Oct 21 08:44:21 ;;google 27.150.231.51 Oct 21 08:44:22 No matches found. Oct 21 08:44:56 CHINANET FUJIAN PROVINCE NETWORK Oct 21 08:45:32 http://pastebin.com/25NbCt0z << fucking idiot, srsly. lrn 2 scriptkiddie, kiddies! Oct 21 08:45:34 [Tue Oct 21 05:42:37 2014] [error] [client 27.150.231.51] client denied by serve - Pastebin.com Oct 21 08:45:50 * darlidada (~Decima`@unaffiliated/decima/x-7503346) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:46:56 something to throw a fail2ban at Oct 21 08:47:34 im kinda running this as half-honeypot half-service Oct 21 08:47:47 the earlier "ddos" proved very productive for me. Oct 21 08:48:02 how so? Oct 21 08:49:04 in theory you'd throw an abuse complaint to the IP block admin, though this one'll probably only speak chinese and thus ignore non-chinese complaints Oct 21 08:50:21 bounce http://trilema.com/2014/lifes-lemons-a-list-of-steps/ << here's a start. Oct 21 08:51:18 i'd give you a link to the log discussing another approach, but the log site is down! Oct 21 08:51:56 anyway it was something like, "here's a list of ips part of a botnet, which means you know they've been hijacked, which means feel free to take them over and use them, and if you're careful you can always blame the original hijacker" Oct 21 08:51:57 * GNULinuxGuy has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) Oct 21 08:52:45 * assbot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 21 08:52:56 oh right. so you're now sitting on a botnet-crawled copy of teh intarwebz to start your own google with, no? Oct 21 08:53:21 except i dun feel like starting my own google. the premise is borkt. Oct 21 08:53:36 they make reasonable monies though Oct 21 08:53:54 i dun wanna make moneys in stupid ways. Oct 21 08:54:12 huh. principles. there's a surprise. *gdr* Oct 21 08:54:59 bounce i wouldn't go as far. suppose you're playing a broken game, like whatever shit some franchise owner paid three dumbasses to code over a weekend. Oct 21 08:55:12 * RBecker has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) Oct 21 08:55:14 now, you COULD spend your time in the cave of idiocy, killing rats for a "profit", because hey, it's a profit. Oct 21 08:55:25 i'd rather have fun with my game than make the counter go up. Oct 21 08:56:06 alright Oct 21 08:56:19 or, as i used to tell my retarded romanian friends (causality, not mere coincidence), idiots make money whichever way they can. normal people make money whichever way they want. Oct 21 08:56:35 but making the counter go up is the fun ... just spoils it if it feels like cheating somehow Oct 21 08:56:49 no, it spoils it if it DOESNT feel like cheating. Oct 21 08:57:03 * virtuals (~virtuals@dsl-prvbrasgw1-50dc13-29.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:57:06 mircea_popescu: this concept of yours - it's really an idea that virtually every thinking man who's ever dealt with computing - had. not unlike bitcoin. Oct 21 08:57:09 i don't think i know of any worse downer on any achievement possible than the knowledge or implication that i actually earned it. Oct 21 08:57:16 asciilifeform sure. Oct 21 08:57:22 im not an innovator, im a manager. Oct 21 08:57:34 im not saying "hey this is new", i'm saying "hey, isn't it time yet ?" Oct 21 08:57:44 mircea_popescu: yes, it's time. but - Oct 21 08:57:50 mircea_popescu: you need new computers. Oct 21 08:58:01 new words Oct 21 08:58:09 and a new penis! Oct 21 08:58:18 satoshi business Oct 21 08:58:23 * RBecker (~RBecker@openvpn/user/RBecker) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 08:58:24 sorry stan. unless that new penis is coming out of this old penis somehow, that new penis ain't happening. Oct 21 08:58:33 natura non facit saltus. Oct 21 08:58:46 mircea_popescu: well, it must come out of old penis in the sense that we all have old ones, can use to spray out new. Oct 21 08:59:06 aite, i;m all for it. Oct 21 08:59:06 * asciilifeform does not produce electronics with bag of ore and needle Oct 21 08:59:27 * Vexual does Oct 21 08:59:54 lol Oct 21 09:00:22 ;;ud gdr Oct 21 09:00:23 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GDR | The German Democratic Republic (GDR), or simply East Germany as it was commonly known, was a communist state that existed from 1949 to 1990 in the ... Oct 21 09:00:41 * disident has quit (Quit: disident) Oct 21 09:00:43 hm. bounce is not only teachning me old irc terms, but is also too advanced for ud Oct 21 09:01:14 * GNULinuxGuy (~lg@unaffiliated/gnulinuxguy) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:03:10 ;;ud urbit Oct 21 09:03:11 Google found nothing. Oct 21 09:03:18 lol Oct 21 09:03:45 that was cold. Oct 21 09:08:28 ;;ticker Oct 21 09:08:29 Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 388.43, Best ask: 388.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 388.43, 24 hour volume: 6927.00803736, 24 hour low: 378.01, 24 hour high: 388.45, 24 hour vwap: 383.469987687 Oct 21 09:08:42 * xinxi has quit (Quit: xinxi) Oct 21 09:09:11 xinxi will be back with ubrbit stip poker Oct 21 09:09:14 no meat Oct 21 09:09:28 the stuff Vexual remembers... Oct 21 09:09:40 * eizodo (51c21b9c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.194.27.156) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:09:41 it comes in flashes Oct 21 09:09:43 * aspho has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 21 09:09:58 !up eizodo Oct 21 09:10:38 aww assbot! Oct 21 09:10:59 mircea_popescu: i do so love when thinking folks arrive at this problem - because it is the 'pons asinorum' of existing technological fundaments sucking irredeemably. Oct 21 09:11:03 kakobrekla you know rite ? Oct 21 09:11:39 asciilifeform this is not necessarily good news. Oct 21 09:11:47 mircea_popescu: who said good news. Oct 21 09:12:19 see here's the strategic problem involved : if this can be made to work on the c machine, and then a s machine can be made which runs it more efficiently, this practically guarantees a future of s machines, much to the baddie's haples dismay. Oct 21 09:12:20 * asciilifeform is optimist, thinks that when the ants rise, perhaps they'll build proper computers... Oct 21 09:12:37 IF however this can not be made to work on the c machine, that alone is sufficient pressure to keep the s machine unmade forever. Oct 21 09:12:48 so it really pretty much all hinges on this point. Oct 21 09:12:56 without it, there will never be an s machine. Oct 21 09:13:30 i am not kidding, either, it's actually what it is. /me has spent a bunch of cpu time on this matter, it's well considered. Oct 21 09:13:54 mircea_popescu: in principle, as you know, anything can be made to 'work' through brute mathematical strength (emulation). the real problem is impedance mismatch - everyone who doesn't like the 1,000+-fold loss of efficiency will run off and go 'closer to metal', eschewing the 's' Oct 21 09:14:06 mircea_popescu: this is what originally happened with, e.g., common lisp Oct 21 09:14:23 i dun think you take my meaning. Oct 21 09:14:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOyF4hR5GoE Oct 21 09:15:56 mircea_popescu: do explain. my meaning here is quite simple - you can emulate anything you wish on your current inexpensive machine - but if the object differs sufficiently from said machine, at some point you end up with a ruinously inefficient apparatus Oct 21 09:16:14 if this = if the proposed shared computing thing. Oct 21 09:16:18 e.g., if you were to emulate 'setun' (ru. trinary cpu) in software (yes, exists) Oct 21 09:17:02 ;;google "s machine" and "c machine" Oct 21 09:17:03 C & S Machine Company | Home: ; Capabilities - C & S Machine Company: ;;next Oct 21 09:17:08 See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/ Oct 21 09:17:12 * aspho (~aspho@94.204.106.77) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:17:31 mats_cd03: 'c machine' is the only one you might turn up Oct 21 09:17:58 * aspho has quit (Client Quit) Oct 21 09:18:02 dunno how twitter ended up in that query... Oct 21 09:18:03 mats_cd03 we've been calling the x86 the "c machine" for some reason. Oct 21 09:18:08 s stands for stan. Oct 21 09:18:14 the original 'c machine' was the pdp. Oct 21 09:18:45 http://www.hillydilly.com/2014/10/leon-bridges-coming-home-better-man Oct 21 09:19:58 "Blo.gs has been transferred from Yahoo to Automattic. We look forward to beefing up and refreshing the service. More news to follow." Oct 21 09:20:02 what the fuck is this supposed to mean ? Oct 21 09:20:06 yahoo owns automattic ? Oct 21 09:20:46 6 months = beef Oct 21 09:21:43 theyr're lost in the desert Oct 21 09:21:44 lots of yahoo influence in automattic Oct 21 09:22:04 seems so. Oct 21 09:22:06 * disident (~disident@unaffiliated/disident) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:22:08 previous CEO toni schneider was at yahoo before mullenweg Oct 21 09:22:09 no fucking wonder eh. Oct 21 09:22:45 kakobrekla: log dead? Oct 21 09:24:52 http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/01/22/jackpot-or-crackpot-park-on-korean-reunification Oct 21 09:25:13 i very much doubt there's ever going to be a korean reunification Oct 21 09:25:34 'reunification' - sk codespeak for conquest and anal rape of nk Oct 21 09:25:42 who would agree to have their economy overwhelmed by beggars? Oct 21 09:25:42 s/sk/kr Oct 21 09:25:52 asciilifeform what';s to rape ? Oct 21 09:25:52 i agree, they have "let's not run outta rice" policies in place Oct 21 09:25:57 those people are really at the bottom. Oct 21 09:26:21 mircea_popescu: they weren't always at the bottom. almost until late '70s - more industrialized than south. Oct 21 09:26:21 even the dummies proposing conquest of nk know its unworkable Oct 21 09:26:28 but they ARE now. Oct 21 09:26:35 seoul - raped in fifteen mins. Oct 21 09:26:45 they are now, and conquest would be final headshot in half a century of clobbering. Oct 21 09:26:54 well, gotta do the headshot. Oct 21 09:27:07 rarely winner hurries to do the headshot. Oct 21 09:27:17 mats_cd03 seoul would prolly enjoy it. Oct 21 09:27:19 usually, if he's uncertain, suspects victim might get up. Oct 21 09:27:20 dprk's gotta collapse under its own weight. Oct 21 09:28:20 south k is usg's 'unsinkable carrier,' and as such, i should like to see the fine folks of nk trash it as thoroughly as they could. Oct 21 09:28:35 uh Oct 21 09:28:39 badman Oct 21 09:29:41 inasmuch as sk is technologically advanced when compared to the primitive us... this carrier theory fails to impress. Oct 21 09:30:11 in all seriousness, nk is an important and non-renewable resource on planet 3 - a kind of 'nature preserve' where nothing smelling even vaguely of usg - not even 'big mac' - is permitted Oct 21 09:30:27 i feel that Oct 21 09:30:33 this is one of the reasons for the vitriol. Oct 21 09:30:46 its the general conesensus Oct 21 09:30:50 'see, these bastards won't allow micky-d?! result - concentration camps!' Oct 21 09:30:56 you know, keeping idiocy away at the cost of bigger idiocy is not any sort of deal. Oct 21 09:31:08 ill just leave then Oct 21 09:31:14 lol Oct 21 09:31:57 but! no big macs! Oct 21 09:31:58 mircea_popescu: is not any sort of deal << much of what looks like idiocy of nk is reaction to a state of vicious siege by the 'international komyooniti' Oct 21 09:32:30 komyooniti? Oct 21 09:32:48 asciilifeform let's put the matter in sexual terms, which are easier to think of. so, suppose we're 13, and for whatever reason we don't like girls. your solution is to get rid of everything "girl like" such as the holes in tp rolls, as inconvenient as that may be in the end. my solution is to let them come by even - fancy that, girls! - provided they know they have to strip naked in the garage, go everywhere on all fo Oct 21 09:32:48 urs and do the cleanning. Oct 21 09:32:50 anyway, soonish the sandpit currently in spring might be empty again. there, your resource renewed. Oct 21 09:32:53 now which seems more sensible an approach ? Oct 21 09:33:50 * TheKingOfCPU (~TheKingOf@c-50-169-19-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:34:03 isolation from the inferior is not a sane policy. enslavement of the inferior is the sane policy. Oct 21 09:34:20 mircea_popescu: idea here is, it may be that the micky-d-permitted world is corrupted beyond reformattability, so to speak. then nk will be the folks who keep the fire going. Oct 21 09:34:44 isn't this a bit too close to magical thinking ? Oct 21 09:34:53 i mean, holes in tp rolls won't make you gay. Oct 21 09:34:54 it's a wild hypothesis, yes Oct 21 09:34:57 kay. Oct 21 09:35:08 not insisting that we actually need nk for anything Oct 21 09:35:20 just that the hatred of it by usg et. al. is rooted in something quite real. Oct 21 09:35:29 sure. Oct 21 09:35:39 it's the last remaining 'pepsi.' Oct 21 09:35:44 but this isn't art, we're not interested in authentic feeling. productivity is a concern. Oct 21 09:36:05 was quite productive compared to kr until blockades of '70s - which continue even now Oct 21 09:36:23 * pete_dushenski (~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:36:26 well sure, and in that sense c machines are quite productive when compared to lisp machines Oct 21 09:36:30 except for all the errors and problems. Oct 21 09:36:31 o.O Oct 21 09:36:32 nk was a high-volume exporter of very fine machine tools, for example Oct 21 09:36:36 kakobrekla: log dead? Oct 21 09:36:40 well this is hilarious. Oct 21 09:36:42 they lost the tech race. Oct 21 09:36:46 and freebase colde medecine Oct 21 09:37:19 which country would not 'lose the tech race' if all were forbidden by 'international comyoonity' to buy virtually anything from it? Oct 21 09:37:26 a good one ? Oct 21 09:37:29 or to ship virtually anything (save food) there? Oct 21 09:37:33 la serenissima, for instance ? Oct 21 09:37:47 only works because no geography to it. Oct 21 09:37:51 lmao Oct 21 09:37:57 it makes exactly NO difference why it works Oct 21 09:38:04 http://shrani.si/f/C/u5/4Rqc558G/log.png Oct 21 09:38:10 or why it doesn't work. this ain't a game kids play , that can be ammended to "make it fair" Oct 21 09:38:37 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to kakobrekla Oct 21 09:38:48 oshit Oct 21 09:38:55 diaspora wins in this way against 'country', ancient observation really Oct 21 09:38:57 * kakobrekla is now known as assbot Oct 21 09:38:58 isn't that what the wto does? Oct 21 09:39:26 * assbot is now known as kakobrekla Oct 21 09:39:33 kakobrekla : i see your lulz and raise you my lulz. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/qntra-bw.png Oct 21 09:39:48 yeah yeah but here charting is broked Oct 21 09:40:08 you dont get extra credit for borked chartes Oct 21 09:40:14 70gb/s? Oct 21 09:40:45 mats_cd03 yeah, because mullenweg's poetry is never used for attacks over 2gbps Oct 21 09:40:50 he knows. Oct 21 09:40:57 damn, nigga Oct 21 09:41:17 !s mullenweg Oct 21 09:41:25 aha no arsebot Oct 21 09:41:27 !s 550 gpbs Oct 21 09:41:27 lol Oct 21 09:41:29 it's in the logs. Oct 21 09:41:40 * asciilifeform blows dust off personal log Oct 21 09:41:55 * kakobrekla is now known as assbot Oct 21 09:41:58 aha mullenweg is a flondor. Oct 21 09:42:11 that's 70gb/day not sec Oct 21 09:42:36 * assbot has quit (Changing host) Oct 21 09:42:36 * assbot (~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:42:36 * card.freenode.net gives channel operator status to assbot Oct 21 09:42:36 * card.freenode.net gives voice to assbot Oct 21 09:43:21 There was movement at the station, for the word had passed around Oct 21 09:43:41 * assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski Oct 21 09:43:43 That the cold from old regret had got away Oct 21 09:43:51 mircea_popescu: you're quite right that a corpse won't get up even if everyone laments how 'unfairly' it was turned into a corpse. but i'm not convinced that nk is a corpse. Oct 21 09:44:23 no it's poorly managed Oct 21 09:44:51 for one thing, even the most miserable beggar in nk is homo sapiens and not homo redditicus Oct 21 09:45:00 what a reserve! Oct 21 09:45:12 https://soundcloud.com/madeon/madeon-imperium Oct 21 09:45:56 * assbot gives voice to undata Oct 21 09:46:07 manual voicing fuck yea. Oct 21 09:46:07 no one in nk, afaik, has partaken of recycled food; Oct 21 09:46:37 select elite is permitted net access Oct 21 09:46:54 you lived in soviet union, it's probabbly similar Oct 21 09:47:02 Vexual: lol! Oct 21 09:47:10 so is everyone ok with 'we just lose logs and keep assbot when ddos' ? Oct 21 09:47:37 no Oct 21 09:47:38 alright then, ill decouple. Oct 21 09:47:41 just you have to hide internet nad crank lab as well as cow Oct 21 09:47:41 too late! Oct 21 09:47:45 punkman shh! runing my good lulz! Oct 21 09:48:04 70gb/s would be quite a feat to resist Oct 21 09:48:04 scam Oct 21 09:48:05 (but yes, i was cheating, it never came even close) Oct 21 09:48:26 !down assbot Oct 21 09:48:38 supress all the evidences! Oct 21 09:48:52 it already in the logs Oct 21 09:48:54 o wait. Oct 21 09:48:54 asciilifeform what'd take to convince you ? Oct 21 09:48:56 what fucking evidence? Oct 21 09:49:07 mircea_popescu: convince of what Oct 21 09:49:11 * asciilifeform is still waking up Oct 21 09:49:32 * mircea_popescu takes advantage of the move to buttsex a now empty kakobrekla. Oct 21 09:49:44 lol Oct 21 09:49:44 asciilifeform nk corpse. Oct 21 09:49:48 mircea_popescu: aha Oct 21 09:49:50 how do you know he's empty? Oct 21 09:50:11 Vexual contents moved into assbot Oct 21 09:50:19 mircea_popescu: it's a corpse if when usg et al are in ruins, doesn't get up. Oct 21 09:50:22 well well Oct 21 09:50:23 whut? Oct 21 09:50:46 asciilifeform nonsense. it's a corpse because have you seen their "largest building on earth" thingee ? Oct 21 09:50:47 consider yourself represend assbot Oct 21 09:50:54 a country's a corpse when its achievements are hollow. Oct 21 09:50:58 mircea_popescu: everyone's seen that one Oct 21 09:51:15 mircea_popescu: we had these in ru. and not entirely corpse. Oct 21 09:51:30 "entirely" corspe ? there's no ru. you had them in cccp. which, yes, corpse. Oct 21 09:51:37 and not because of the muricans, either. Oct 21 09:52:05 usg does behave as if the corpse still twitched Oct 21 09:52:14 so it would. Oct 21 09:52:29 chicks behave as if the penis is still erect throughout the day. Oct 21 09:52:38 lol Oct 21 09:53:55 usg just wishes the corpse would twitch so they have a 'qualified' boogeyman Oct 21 09:54:31 the US govt still uses the anti-russian shtick from time to time (especially since the Ukraine situation) but has segued to using "radical islam" much more frequently Oct 21 09:54:48 for one thing, even the most miserable beggar in nk is homo sapiens and not homo redditicus << this, in particular, i have no time for. seriously, everyone ? like who, like these cumdumpsters http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/best-cunts.jpg ? Oct 21 09:55:17 yeah, they totally look not like reddit. o.O Oct 21 09:56:48 * Pierre_Rochard (~Pierre@c-98-251-108-249.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:57:27 mircea_popescu: those? they're at work. Oct 21 09:57:30 to be fair those are not the poorest beggars Oct 21 09:57:44 yes, they are. they just don't realise it. Oct 21 09:57:48 mircea_popescu: i've never once worked a job that didn't feature this scene. Oct 21 09:57:49 just like your average redditard Oct 21 09:57:54 * yhwh_ (~yhwh@151.236.26.14) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:57:58 leah whatever her name is, with a mortgage and a diploma. Oct 21 09:58:12 leah bitxoin? Oct 21 09:58:19 MP harem prolly not that much different :P Oct 21 09:58:27 quite different. Oct 21 09:58:43 * mius has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 21 09:58:58 * assbot gives voice to Pierre_Rochard Oct 21 09:58:59 * mius (~mius@gateway/tor-sasl/mius) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 09:59:01 * TheKingOfCPU has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 21 10:00:26 * mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 10:00:49 !up mike_c Oct 21 10:00:52 the reason i say 'they're at work' and that it is no reddit, is that a reddit is fundamentally a voluntary act Oct 21 10:01:04 so is their "work" Oct 21 10:01:04 no one is marched grimly to the reddit Oct 21 10:01:12 so they can eat. Oct 21 10:01:18 reddit is the workplace of the failed young adult, unemployable and "educated" Oct 21 10:01:23 o yes they are. Oct 21 10:01:28 self-immolation is always an option. Oct 21 10:01:37 undata: if you can find the petrol! Oct 21 10:01:55 yes they are << curious, how? Oct 21 10:01:57 asciilifeform undata siphon from parents' car! Oct 21 10:02:38 asciilifeform same exact way stan. Oct 21 10:02:41 "other people" Oct 21 10:02:46 l'enfer, c'est l'autres. Oct 21 10:02:57 pete_dushenski: talk to a medic in usa. these folks have a similarly dim concept of how to seppuku as of, e.g., how to program a computer Oct 21 10:03:40 * asciilifeform always saw reddit as an ordinary vice, like opium Oct 21 10:04:16 asciilifeform suicide is similarly taboo up north Oct 21 10:04:42 one might take to opium from despair, or because you smoked it for the last 5 years and zapped your endorphins - but, required? Oct 21 10:04:57 perhaps Oct 21 10:05:06 the city here is paying $2m for a cage to prevent people from jumping off the highest bridge... and cutting funding to the suicide hotline Oct 21 10:05:23 such bezzle Oct 21 10:05:28 bullshit Oct 21 10:05:33 depends in my view on whether the "masses" essentially *need* leadership, or whether they can reasonably be expected to fend for themselves. Oct 21 10:05:59 asciilifeform: ^ Oct 21 10:06:14 undata you read http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/18/you-cant-elect-strong-shepherds-and-you-cant-produce-anything-of-value-without-them/ ? Oct 21 10:06:29 in what way is some perverse ceremony the king compels you to take part in, a 'reddit' ? Oct 21 10:06:32 pete_dushenski: no, but I will Oct 21 10:06:39 how'd you like sydney pete? Oct 21 10:06:57 * assbot gives voice to mike_c Oct 21 10:07:04 Vexual patience... i'm still a ways away! Oct 21 10:07:15 asciilifeform imo it's the new workplace. Oct 21 10:07:21 oh i thought you'd been there and done that Oct 21 10:07:43 new workplace << how's that? Oct 21 10:07:51 no pay Oct 21 10:07:53 depends in my view on whether the "masses" essentially *need* leadership, or whether they can reasonably be expected to fend for themselves. << being owned is a fundamental human need. Oct 21 10:08:00 tho polite psychologists call it "the need to belong" Oct 21 10:08:00 heya mike_c. good point on the qntra blog. if i take another stab at it, i'll definitely tone down the blogger in me. Oct 21 10:08:14 mircea_popescu: then I'd say the peasants are gathered where they're easy to find; someone should see to them. Oct 21 10:08:23 pete_dushenski the man who knows how to cook two different kinds of things is a better cook. Oct 21 10:08:50 undata except many peasants, few someones. or in other word, ars longa, vita brevis, cock's only up a few minutes a day. Oct 21 10:08:52 pete_dushenski: cool, looking forward to it. Oct 21 10:09:11 asciilifeform the kIDing ? Oct 21 10:09:13 mircea_popescu agreed. Oct 21 10:09:17 mircea_popescu: haha, surely the internet provides something of a cock... amplifier? Oct 21 10:09:53 the folks on reddit 12h/day, presumably are fed somehow, and would remain fed if they decided to study mathematics instead Oct 21 10:10:07 undata does not, no. Oct 21 10:10:14 asciilifeform not so. Oct 21 10:10:25 you presume this "decision" object that's undefined. Oct 21 10:10:37 (on that day, i will propel myself into orbit using the monkeys that will fly from my arse, but that's beside the point) Oct 21 10:11:43 no pay << i didn't fucking say "payplace" did i. Oct 21 10:11:53 lol! Oct 21 10:11:57 well ? :) Oct 21 10:12:05 then yes, open-air prison Oct 21 10:12:13 best korea! Oct 21 10:12:27 amazing korea. Oct 21 10:12:35 amazing ass, bot! Oct 21 10:12:42 the border i swell defined Oct 21 10:13:25 one cannot stroll across Oct 21 10:13:38 incidentally, i was always curious why no bezzlatron lord (e.g. mark z) ever thought of opening a reddit which -does- pay the prisoners a subsistence wage Oct 21 10:13:55 that one would end up mandatory. Oct 21 10:14:26 asciilifeform i had this. fain, it was called, romanian digg. Oct 21 10:14:27 one in ten probably has some understanding of the permeability Oct 21 10:14:35 aha that thing Oct 21 10:14:40 it's how romania made 90% of all bitcoin it ever made, back in 2012. Oct 21 10:14:46 * assbot gives voice to othernubs` Oct 21 10:14:50 the most workable prisons are the ones where the prisoners don't even see the bars Oct 21 10:15:05 Vexual> the border i swell defined <<< i swell, defined! Oct 21 10:15:29 othernubs`: my tyypos are all accidental i swear Oct 21 10:15:38 is wear! Oct 21 10:16:43 thats contrite Oct 21 10:17:01 chetty does devil's island fall under this category? :D Oct 21 10:17:17 othernubs` hey, you got all the orders about making a book ? Oct 21 10:17:55 mp prolly havent seen any ;;notes, been getting this OLPC box set up and haven't authed as nubbins` in a few days Oct 21 10:19:53 ;;notes nubbins` Oct 21 10:19:53 Sent 12 hours and 3 minutes ago: ^ that something you can do ? and Sent 10 hours and 47 minutes ago: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885779 Oct 21 10:20:19 ;;gettrust othernubs` Oct 21 10:20:20 Currently authenticated from hostmask othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user muXne to user othernubs`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=othernubs%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014 Oct 21 10:20:22 lol none of which works i guess Oct 21 10:20:23 chetty does devil's island fall under this category?//nope, the bars(water) can be observed Oct 21 10:20:51 shit, newfoundland is a prison in that case ;p Oct 21 10:21:46 * nubbins` (~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 10:23:49 none of which works :) Oct 21 10:24:25 * Phraust (~Phraust@unaffiliated/phraust) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 10:24:28 * assbot is now known as kakobrekla Oct 21 10:24:29 * kakobrekla has quit (Changing host) Oct 21 10:24:29 * kakobrekla (~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 10:24:29 * card.freenode.net gives channel operator status to kakobrekla Oct 21 10:24:29 * card.freenode.net gives voice to kakobrekla Oct 21 10:25:29 othernubs` gimme a sec here Oct 21 10:26:25 http://pastebin.com/aSnSmds0 << othernubs` and i think someone else wanted a copy but i forget who Oct 21 10:27:27 btw if anyone cares : Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή. Oct 21 10:27:32 oh fun Oct 21 10:27:50 definitely do-able, sounds like a bitta work Oct 21 10:27:58 * Jondo (~Jondo@unaffiliated/jondo) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 10:28:08 how many lines of code, anyone know offhand? Oct 21 10:28:50 it's about 1.5mb or so Oct 21 10:30:12 asciilifeform: what did you need a server for? i have access to a beefy cluster if you want to run a job. Oct 21 10:30:34 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to mircea_popescu Oct 21 10:30:45 * mircea_popescu gives voice to Adlai Oct 21 10:30:51 shits getting all irc Oct 21 10:31:46 * mircea_popescu gives voice to nubbins` Oct 21 10:31:59 * mircea_popescu gives voice to mike_c Oct 21 10:32:08 * mircea_popescu gives voice to Pierre_Rochard Oct 21 10:32:23 * mircea_popescu gives voice to pete_dushenski Oct 21 10:32:34 * othernubs` thinks Oct 21 10:32:42 yeah, gimme a week or so Oct 21 10:32:51 * Vexual scoffs Oct 21 10:32:55 othernubs` the actual link was... also in the log lol. Oct 21 10:33:02 to the code i mean Oct 21 10:33:08 othernubs`: http://pastebin.com/3zBvbFD1 Oct 21 10:33:10 ah :D Oct 21 10:33:26 shit you only realise wtf how much better #b-a is than a normal chan once the specific stuff hickups Oct 21 10:33:32 im like... o, rly, irc w/o logs ? wut ? Oct 21 10:34:08 why 0.6? Oct 21 10:34:30 tl;dr: 210k lines of actual code, another ~160k lines of assorted crap Oct 21 10:35:21 problem is... 210k lines would come to what, 3000 pages ? Oct 21 10:35:54 mircea_popescu: you're rinstating bait from 8chan? ho wwill you explain the semanitcs? Oct 21 10:35:54 course as a special printing job you could print on sideways paper. Oct 21 10:36:19 im not doin' anything Oct 21 10:37:04 8 means sonething else in japan Oct 21 10:37:47 its magical tux when he slumps Oct 21 10:39:02 well the real problem is long lines that need to be broken Oct 21 10:39:12 this shit is hard to read Oct 21 10:39:50 print on legal size! Oct 21 10:40:02 foolscap Oct 21 10:40:08 fuck that, print on ledger Oct 21 10:40:25 foolscap is for paper airplanes Oct 21 10:40:29 print on individually cut papr for each line Oct 21 10:40:38 then let user accidentally drop the pile. Oct 21 10:40:43 * Guest68195 is now known as thickasthieves Oct 21 10:40:46 bitcoin improvements. Oct 21 10:40:46 * thickasthieves has quit (Changing host) Oct 21 10:40:46 * thickasthieves (~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 10:40:49 not bad Oct 21 10:40:52 * mircea_popescu gives voice to thickasthieves Oct 21 10:40:53 confetti Oct 21 10:41:16 can it self distruct after reading too? Oct 21 10:41:45 ;;ticker Oct 21 10:41:54 bitstamp is down Oct 21 10:41:56 Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. Oct 21 10:42:43 maybe it's our ddos friend Oct 21 10:43:22 othernubs` some binding ideas for ye: http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/08/unusual-books.html Oct 21 10:43:30 ;;isup bitstamp.net Oct 21 10:43:31 bitstamp.net is up Oct 21 10:45:01 im not sure if ive mentioned it before but mr talebs' invite was clturally innapropriate Oct 21 10:45:51 Vexual levantines no like sexy time? Oct 21 10:47:48 well if he didnt like the invite, he wouldnt like it here either Oct 21 10:47:57 asciilifeform, srsly tho, 1btc? :0 Oct 21 10:47:58 so maybe it was perfect Oct 21 10:48:40 pete_dushenski, i should prolly wait til i'm at an actual computer before i click that link Oct 21 10:49:01 this machine slows dangerously when stressed ;p Oct 21 10:49:33 whaddaya got an ipad clitring? Oct 21 10:49:38 heh Oct 21 10:49:48 olpc xo-1 Oct 21 10:49:56 oh nice Oct 21 10:49:56 othernubs`: willing to consider even 2 - but product has to be genuinely nice. Oct 21 10:49:56 its like a tenth of an ipad Oct 21 10:50:12 * eizodo has quit (Quit: Page closed) Oct 21 10:50:14 asciilifeform, i do indeed make genuinely nice things Oct 21 10:50:21 motions the same Oct 21 10:50:34 othernubs`: lay-flat? Oct 21 10:50:42 colour print? Oct 21 10:51:05 no mutilated cpp syntax (e.g. lines broken in places such that a compiler would balk were they re-entered in that form) ? Oct 21 10:51:21 dy na mo Oct 21 10:51:31 mats_cd03: server << for nosuchlabs.com Oct 21 10:52:02 i was a programmer by trade for 5 years, i know how to display code in a sensible fashion :) Oct 21 10:52:18 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0eoDDwIAAIh8B5.jpg Oct 21 10:52:53 yay! dow is soaring again! Oct 21 10:53:03 thanks be to aapl pay! Oct 21 10:53:12 tell ya what, if you put half a btc down, i'll dive in. if it ends up not working out for practical reasons, i'll refund ya Oct 21 10:53:33 * gabriel_laddel (~user@c-67-161-28-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 10:53:35 Adlai, nubbins`: the xml crap can be burned, and in the printing job can only be done by a fellow who understands that not all of the tarball is useful Oct 21 10:53:57 a compiler would balk were they re-entered in that form) ? < ocr purpose? Oct 21 10:54:04 http://www.vevo.com/watch/robin-thicke/Blurred-Lines-%28Unrated-Version%29/USUV71300526 Oct 21 10:54:34 xanthyos lol! Oct 21 10:55:09 kakobrekla: nah, i just want the 'fried ice' of text that is at least 4mm tall but no - under any circumstances - extra brain effort to reassemble lines. Oct 21 10:55:19 if it ends up being made, and being something others want, i'll even give ya 10% of net profits Oct 21 10:55:29 Vexual nb. Oct 21 10:56:14 ;;google diverse capable proud site:youtube.com Oct 21 10:56:15 Diverse. Capable. Proud. This is Today's RNC - :60 - YouTube: ; Diverse. Capable. Proud. This is Today's RNC - :15 - YouTube: ; Diverse. Capable. Proud. This is Today's RNC - :30 - YouTube: Oct 21 10:56:23 ^ watch 1st link Oct 21 10:56:39 ;;google rnc tourism video site:youtube.com Oct 21 10:56:40 RNC Tourism Video - YouTube: ; AROUND CLEVELAND: RNC finds out what Clevelanders already ...: ; Ad 2 TB AdCast: Branding Tampa Bay (RNC) - YouTube: Oct 21 10:56:40 * disident has quit (Quit: disident) Oct 21 10:56:44 othernubs`: crank out a pgp-signed proclamation with addr for deposit Oct 21 10:56:48 ^ then that 1st link Oct 21 10:57:05 asciilifeform, sec Oct 21 10:57:06 othernubs`: i'll see to it when i come back from where i'm about to go. Oct 21 10:57:15 othernubs` such snowmobile! Oct 21 10:57:16 :o Oct 21 10:57:30 such attack dog, so riot gear Oct 21 10:59:06 cazalla BingoBoingo http://www.coindesk.com/bitnet-lands-14-5-million-series-funding-rival-coinbase-bitpay/ Oct 21 10:59:18 ^dat bezzlesplosion Oct 21 10:59:37 ratuken Oct 21 10:59:57 now theres a two way enjoy Oct 21 11:01:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPTlhBmwRg Oct 21 11:01:36 heh time to print more food stamps >> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/10/21/mcdonalds-fast-food-restaurants-earnings/17652697/ Oct 21 11:02:26 "Third-quarter earnings fell a worse-than-expected 30%. McDonald's reported a profit of $1.07 billion, or $1.09 a share, vs. $1.52 billion, or $1.52 a share, a year earlier" Oct 21 11:03:27 ratuken shits all over alibaba Oct 21 11:03:37 * Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." Oct 21 11:03:45 let me count the ways Oct 21 11:03:53 too much lurking in #b-a makes Adlai a lysdexic yob Oct 21 11:04:17 Adlai what is this, 2016? Oct 21 11:04:33 * IRaway (~Avatar@wf-171-99-151-3.revip9.asianet.co.th) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 11:04:39 Is It 2016 Yet? Oct 21 11:04:48 approaching Oct 21 11:05:17 * AdamIRAway has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Oct 21 11:06:37 don't wiah away time Oct 21 11:06:44 *wish Oct 21 11:07:25 othernubs` asciilifeform if this car owner's manual is selling for 10 btc (which it is), 1-2 btc seems perfectly reasonable for this custom code book http://www.collectorstudio.com/index.cfm/ID/23/itemID/4500/details/1?cl= Oct 21 11:09:10 * agamemnon23 has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 21 11:12:20 * assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 11:12:20 * ChanServ gives voice to assbot Oct 21 11:12:37 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to assbot Oct 21 11:12:59 ;;rate cazalla 1 news anchor at qntra.net Oct 21 11:13:01 Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded. Oct 21 11:14:13 ;;rate BingoBoingo 2 news anchor, blogger, spinozan. Oct 21 11:14:14 Rating entry successful. Your rating for user BingoBoingo has changed from 1 to 2. Oct 21 11:15:11 ;;rate nubbins` 2 canuckistani, printer of fine things. Oct 21 11:15:13 Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user nubbins` has been recorded. Oct 21 11:15:25 d'aww Oct 21 11:15:49 othernubs` twas overdue ;) Oct 21 11:17:15 ;;rate asciilifeform 2 loper, maker, the go-to for infosec. Oct 21 11:17:17 Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user asciilifeform has been recorded. Oct 21 11:17:59 i think that's all the catching up for now. Oct 21 11:18:21 you've lied to me Oct 21 11:19:44 http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/4-banks-including-jpmorgan-fined-in-europe-over-cartel-behavior/ Oct 21 11:20:41 http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/why-high-frequency-trading-is-so-hard-to-regulate/ << because what's mpex anyways? Oct 21 11:20:42 ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9 Oct 21 11:20:42 The operation succeeded. Oct 21 11:21:44 separared into chapters! oh my. Oct 21 11:22:12 * manamex (~manamex@f212009.upc-f.chello.nl) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 11:23:07 * nubbins` has quit (Quit: Quit) Oct 21 11:23:11 * Vexual has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 21 11:23:34 might be a fun lil project, we'll see Oct 21 11:25:08 * xinxi (~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 11:26:17 * assbot gives voice to xinxi Oct 21 11:27:05 jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee Oct 21 11:27:55 othernubs`, asciilifeform: how many actual code (C, C++, etc.) lines exceed 80 characters? Oct 21 11:29:33 http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/21/7027267/google-launches-support-for-security-key-a-simpler-kind-of-two-factor Oct 21 11:29:35 Google launches support for Security Key, a simpler kind of two-factor authentication | The Verge Oct 21 11:31:46 * manamex has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 21 11:32:11 * davout has quit (Quit: kthxbye) Oct 21 11:32:52 * mircea_popescu removes channel operator status from mircea_popescu Oct 21 11:36:21 cazalla BingoBoingo derpndesk.com/bitnet-lands-14-5-million-series-funding-rival-coinbase-bitpay/ << and somehow in spite of all these "investement" nobody is buying the shorts pretty much. Oct 21 11:36:24 such strange money. Oct 21 11:36:51 * Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." << da fuck would bitbet do with 15mn. Oct 21 11:37:12 spend it on hookers and blow Oct 21 11:37:21 s/spend/invest/ Oct 21 11:37:42 then it's "no touching the merchandise" Oct 21 11:38:01 new css Oct 21 11:38:23 shady logo Oct 21 11:39:06 and a KYC team Oct 21 11:39:37 ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9 <<< i like this shit. Oct 21 11:39:41 over wifi. Oct 21 11:39:42 you two are doing it right. Oct 21 11:40:09 * disident (~disident@unaffiliated/disident) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 11:40:20 kakobrekla "know your cunt" ? Oct 21 11:40:36 know your chump doh Oct 21 11:40:42 oh sorry Oct 21 11:41:36 On 15 June 1961, two months before the construction of the Berlin Wall started, First Secretary of the Socialist Unity Party and Staatsrat chairman Walter Ulbricht stated in an international press conference, "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!" <<< nobody has any intention to fuck up bitcoin o.O Oct 21 11:41:36 * assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel Oct 21 11:44:13 * kakobrekla removes channel operator status from kakobrekla Oct 21 11:44:54 ;;rate nubbins` trustworthy numismatic and printer Oct 21 11:44:54 Error: 'trustworthy' is not a valid integer. Oct 21 11:45:31 !b 2 Oct 21 11:45:33 Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1AT9JWJ.txt ) Oct 21 11:45:47 ha Oct 21 11:46:06 ;;rate nubbins` 1 trustworthy numismatic and printer Oct 21 11:46:07 Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded. Oct 21 11:46:19 * agamemnon23 (~agamemnon@arkhammer.mycenae.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 11:56:24 ok, ima give this qntra news thing another hack. Oct 21 11:56:44 * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 21 11:57:17 who is running qntra news? Oct 21 11:57:39 xinxi that'd be mircea_popescu cazalla and BingoBoingo Oct 21 11:57:57 i see Oct 21 11:58:37 xinxi oyu know, someone to do chinese coverage would be very valuable. Oct 21 11:59:24 * mgio (6c07d02e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.7.208.46) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 11:59:56 yeah, I can help Oct 21 12:00:30 but as far as i know, there are already a few news site about bitcoin in china. Oct 21 12:00:39 * punkman1 (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 12:00:55 in english? Oct 21 12:00:59 kakobrekla> jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee << cost of doing business ;) Oct 21 12:01:08 also, check what sets qntra apart Oct 21 12:01:22 xinxi the idea is to read and summarize chinese news in english Oct 21 12:01:36 mircea_popescu> you two are doing it right. << if its worth doing... Oct 21 12:01:55 * punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 21 12:01:56 * disident has quit (Quit: disident) Oct 21 12:02:08 mircea_popescu - that may be a good idea. Oct 21 12:02:28 so get on it! Oct 21 12:02:33 is it free? Oct 21 12:02:43 for people to publish news? Oct 21 12:02:54 http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.QNTR < read that. you get shares. Oct 21 12:03:04 mircea_popescu your two cents on which would make a better qntra article: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/10/corporate-governance-update/ or http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/10/prweb12263116.htm Oct 21 12:03:16 pete_dushenski neither, bs pr crapolade. Oct 21 12:03:26 pr isn't news. Oct 21 12:03:58 the foundation one is kinda funny because they're announcing "the consideration of a committee" Oct 21 12:04:03 but ya Oct 21 12:04:13 * assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 12:04:13 * ChanServ gives voice to assbot Oct 21 12:04:14 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to assbot Oct 21 12:04:23 so if it's funny have a lol at it on blog. not news. Oct 21 12:04:35 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jw5pm/im_gavin_andresen_chief_scientist_at_the_bitcoin/ Oct 21 12:04:43 ^happening now Oct 21 12:05:05 at the bitcoin!!! good enough for a lol Oct 21 12:05:31 heh Oct 21 12:05:58 [–]gavinandresen[S] 32 points 38 minutes ago Bugs in "Bitcoin" ? "Bitcoin" isn't software, it is a protocol, so that's like asking "what do you think about bugs in HTTP?" Oct 21 12:06:34 because http is like perfect and stuff. no bugs there. ever. nosiree. Oct 21 12:06:37 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25255 @ 0.00073763 = 18.6288 BTC [+] {2} Oct 21 12:07:01 * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 21 12:07:56 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9 <<< https://blockchain.info/tx/93a970031f7e4fbcc7970cb34aa386ce66a444a2806f159093a2b6222166b3b0 Oct 21 12:08:45 consider your hand heartily shaken! Oct 21 12:09:18 * assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets Oct 21 12:09:18 * ChanServ gives voice to assbot Oct 21 12:09:19 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to assbot Oct 21 12:09:33 shame deedbot is down Oct 21 12:09:41 yeah srsly. Oct 21 12:10:41 [–]gavinandresen[S] 26 points an hour ago Biggest misconception: That Bitcoin will Topple Governments and the Powerful. Governments will do what they always do -- they will adapt (well, the worst ones will fail, causing misery and suffering; maybe Bitcoin will speed that up a little, and mitigate the misery a little). Oct 21 12:12:01 * drawingthesun has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Oct 21 12:12:41 pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there. Oct 21 12:13:17 mircea_popescu granted :) Oct 21 12:13:35 deedbot is actually up - in here under different nick - just the server it lives on failed security audit Oct 21 12:13:54 wait what? Oct 21 12:14:07 yea Oct 21 12:14:16 punkman's ver is getting very close too Oct 21 12:14:18 punkmans deedbot runs on one of my droplets Oct 21 12:14:28 a you speak of the carcas Oct 21 12:14:29 talkin bout the old one Oct 21 12:14:36 hey logs are back... just missing 5-16h Oct 21 12:15:19 what you are looking at atm is unlive version of logs Oct 21 12:15:46 unlive, you mean dead ?